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[-] Bunnylux@lemmy.world 76 points 7 months ago

To those who believe that learning is its own end, like me, I don't see any problems with this.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 78 points 7 months ago

It's really great, as long as you don't need shelter or to eat.

[-] aesopjah@lemm.ee 46 points 7 months ago

that's low key why universal basic income would be good. it's somewhat important to have people like that who just want to preserve and teach history and they shouldn't necessarily be forced to find an industrialized application for that in order to have a decent life.

[-] vaquedoso@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

But my bootstraps!

[-] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 3 points 7 months ago

If you're teaching history, that's already provided for cuz you can paid for teaching. UBI would just enable the case of a person learning things without then teaching those things to others or doing anything of value with the knowledge.

[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

It's called Universal Basic Income not Universal Luxury Income.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

Yes, teachers are well known for being paid well

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I don’t think UBI helps with this much. This might be controversial to hear, but UBI solves different problems related to fulfilling needs and doesn’t solve problems with incentives inherently. So if studying history is on par with doing no work at all, then a history major will only be able to afford the new ground floor of our society.

What would probably be better is to fix our grant systems and provide destinations for studying history. So UBI allows anyone to study it but grants still encourage people to do so and gives them a destination to work towards.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

2000 year from now, they'll still be studying empty tombs in Egypt. except the "grave robbers" that took everything were the archeologists of today, instead of the archaeologists of the 7th century.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago

I don’t see a problem with it if the person can afford it.

But if you’re a young person starting with nothing, starting your life in tremendous debt that won’t increase your earnings is going to be rough. It doesn’t make you a bad person or anything, but if you went and got a a job and read about Egypt in the library, you might be a much happier, less stressed person in 5-10 years.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

You can't even talk to a community college rep without them getting into money.

[-] supercritical@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

A phrase that would bounce around when I was in grad school.

[-] wintermutehal@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago

I find this phrase rather demeaning. I am a damn good Instructional Designer, but I would eventually like to teach this to others.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Well, do while you can do. After that, you can teach?

[-] MrClayman@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I also find it demeaning. I can do so much, but I CHOOSE to teach.

Maybe I shouldn’t teach anymore.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

As someone who fakes their way through life and can't teach, it's also demeaning to me. I don't know what I'm doing, can't really do it, and certainly shouldn't be teaching anyone else.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

So do it till you calm down later in life, and then teach younger people

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 35 points 7 months ago

The saying sucks because it implies that they tried doing something in the private field and failed into teaching. Most teachers went directly into teaching, so they succeeded.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

It’s a dumb saying. Teaching is harder than many jobs

[-] mcmoor@bookwormstory.social 5 points 7 months ago

Well you don't need to be good at teaching to be a teacher

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You could say that about many jobs, especially ones that don’t offer competitive wages. I have had quite a few different jobs and there are always people that have no business holding the role they do.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Usually said by angry types who never did either one.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Yeah that's so out of context that it speaks to the intelligence of students repeating it. It came from the old trades and people retiring into teaching after they literally couldn't do it anymore, not that they weren't once capable. Very similar to the "Bad apples" quote.

[-] FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Wow, what a stupid thing to be around.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

Hey that's what I did with philosophy. It's great to adjunct for three universities and get no health care. Definitely worth it!!

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Maybe philosophy is so needlessly wordy and impenetrable because it's just people that weren't smart enough to see it as a dead end trained enough to make it seem esoteric and meaningful, to keep their heads just above water and their hands on books instead of chef knives.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Maybe philosophy is so needlessly wordy and impenetrable because it’s just people that weren’t smart enough to see it as a dead end

Quite a few philosophy undergrounds go on to law, business, and marketing, because the underlying concepts tie so well together. Lots of philosophy grad CEOs and heads of Law Firms. Some of the richest people in the country majored in philosophy.

Egyptology is significantly more niche. But it should be noted that we used to have a significant amount of money going towards archeological research. That's money state governments and private institutions have pulled back fairly recently.

We get to play this game with a lot of niche professions. There's a huge demand from back in, say, the 80s or 90s and then a huge structural shift to stop doing astrological research or civil engineering or sociology or education or whatever. All the money gets dumped into state subsidies for bitcoin miners. And then we call the folks who matriculated through those real professions "stupid" while smugly insisting the future is in digitally jerking ourselves off.

[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

While there are massive important fallacies to explore in Ayn Rand's philosophy of "moral objectivism" in Atlas Shrugged, I did agree with the her implication when she wrote how John Galt, Francisco D'Anconia, and Ragnar Daneskjold (the most "capable" men in her fictional world) double-majored in Philosophy and Physics.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

John Galt, Francisco D’Anconia, and Ragnar Daneskjold (the most “capable” men in her fictional world) double-majored in Philosophy and Physics.

I mean, I was referring to real people not AnCap Fanfiction people.

[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

Yes, I know.

I was referring to the implied importance of Philosophy and Physics as foundational areas of study.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As somebody with a PhD in the subject, there's some truth to this. Ever read Derrida or Deleuze? Some of thise continental guys are especially full of shit.

I still love the subject, though. When else do you get to just think about the big topics and work through fun arguments about them? We'd all be poorer if nobody did that.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

"If those people believed half of what they wrote, they'd have shot themselves years ago." My dad, who may have been more of a philosopher than he realized.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Naw, all that matters is making money. Don't bother thinking about big, important things. Just know your place, keep your head down, and crank out $$$.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I didn't know the disembodied voice of capitalism stalked Lemmy, too!

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Chef here. We don't want philosophy majors playing with our knives or fire, thanks. The alcoholics, potheads, and methheads are enough to contend with without someone that really over thinks things.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

what is a pyramid but a temporarily embarrassed disk

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

If he’s paying for his PhD, then that’s definitely a scam

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Tangentially, shout out to Dominic Perry's History of Egypt podcast. Great stuff, very engaging without forgetting that history is an evolving and ever-incomplete field of study, and that things other than battles happened in the ancient world.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It took me way too long (into my adult years) to figure out that an Egyptologist is an archaeologist who specializes in ancient Egyptian cultural artifacts.

[-] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

yeah yeah, farming and business and carpentry and sanctimonious politicians pissing everyone off. Just dull shit until it erupts into a war.

[-] Ilflish@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not really sure how much empathy I have for this. I'm aware in the US you don't pick a major until a year in but even when you don't people, were ready to invest in subjects they knew would leave them with few job opportunities. They thought it was cool and wanted to go to university. Finding a job was a future problem. I was not and won't be anti-arts and humanities but they are just as popular, if not more so then many other subjects in universities and 90% of them know that it's a difficult field to find any work in

[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Don't pick a major until a year in? That definitely wasn't the norm when I was in university (albeit that's a long time ago).

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 7 months ago

A friend got a degree in Egyptology, only to realize that after she’d sunk in the time to get a master’s on the advice of her professors, that they were ensuring their livelihood by overselling the job prospects.
After a few years of low level museum jobs, she got her doctorate and became an Egyptology professor. Her hope is to one day become an Egyptologist, but I think she’s already in a gilded academic cage and doesn’t realize it.

[-] SrTobi@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

Sounds like she is a saleswoman for Egyptolgogy now too

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago

The best thing is, she has actually posted the above screenshot to her socials.

[-] RatBin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's how the lure you in. They start with basic things like piramid, than they show you these symbols of power and immortality and promise a +2 on you ka which can be good fo D&D campaigns, and to enjoy a safe passage to the other plan of existance, when they finally get you to the secret room of the feather and the scale and that's when you know it's too late to get back

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