Those voting third party are ushering these guys in.
Wait a second. You could have been blaming the Republican voters, because they actually voted for the guy. You could have been blaming the Democrats for not fielding better candidates. Instead you're blaming that small minority of people who thinks that both parties suck and neither of them is going to fix the major problems facing the United States. And all the while, Democrat candidates know exactly how to get more progressive votes: push progressive policies.
no, they're not. the people voting for these guys are the ones ushering them in. people voting for a so-called third party are voting against these guys
No, sadly with the way US voting works at the moment the chances of a third party winning is microscopic, so voting for a third party is only taking votes away from the only party that stands a chance of beating the republicans. Statistically third party voters would be more likely to vote democratic than republican if they didn't have a third party option, so in reality the more people voting third party the more they're helping republicans win. It sucks but that's the reality.
voting for a third party is only taking votes away from the only party...
no. the votes belong to the voter, not a party, and its up to politicians to earn those votes.
the more people voting third party the more they’re helping republicans win
only votes for republicans help republicans win
As much as it would be nice if the world worked that way, that's not how the world works unfortunately.
it is. a vote for Cornel West must be counted for Cornel West, not any other candidate
Statistically third party voters would be more likely to vote democratic than republican if they didn’t have a third party option,
i haven't voted for a democrat for president in over a decade and i'm not starting again this year.
You know politics isn't like sports, right? You don't identify with a team but instead you vote to get rid of cruel fatcat racists and replace them with people who will actually benefit the country.
That's not how the US electoral system works. If the vote turns out 49%/48%/3%, then the guy with 49% wins. Unless your 3rd party is polling in the mid forties (and is therefore not a 3rd party) all you are doing is vote splitting
there is no reason to believe someone voting for a so-called third party would vote for another politician. it's not as though we don't know they exist, and haven't been browbeaten repeatedly about this.
Wow. What a mathematically flawed electoral system!
So now that we all understand how first past the post voting will always result in a two party system... what is the ETA on Ranked choice voting being implemented in all blue states?
Not in an effective way.
Do the work for third parties between elections. That's when the hard-fought progress is made toward rising platforms and ideas. Vote third party in primaries. Attend third party meetings and help organize. But don't make the work to spread new ideas and build other options even harder by allowing democracy to creep further backward and affect up to 35+ years of judicial decisions.
Evan McMullin's vote total in Minnesota in the 2016 Presidential election was larger than Hillary Clinton's margin of victory. Gary Johnson's vote total was almost 3 times McMullin's total. Johnson's vote total was larger than Clinton's margin in Colorado, too. If it weren't for third-party voters, Clinton would've had an even worse electoral college drubbing. (Perhaps this is the case in other states, too. Those are the two that I know off-hand.) Much has been made about how Jill Stein's vote total in Wisconsin in 2016 was higher than Clinton's margin of defeat, but without any 3rd party candidates, she would've lost by even more.
In 2020, Jo Jorgensen's vote total in Wisconsin was larger than Biden's margin of victory, as well as in Minnesota, Arizona, and Georgia. Her vote total in Pennsylvania was very close to Biden's margin of victory there. Without 3rd party candidates, Biden would've lost in 2020.
This article is about Rep. Tim Walberg, who blew out Democratic Party challenger Bart Goldberg in 2022. The 3rd party candidates in that race were from the Libertarian and U.S. Taxpayers parties. Without them, Walberg's margin of victory would've been greater.
It's absolutely true that voting third party is a really dumb strategy that will never achieve anything good and could conceivably allow for worse outcomes. It's also true that this potentiality is way overblown because of ineffective Democratic politicians using third parties as an excuse for their pathetic underperformance.
If I was on the governing committee of a major political party, I'd be funding trips to places like Hiroshima and Auschwitz for members of our party that are running for office for the first time, not for the photo op, but so that maybe they can get some fucking perspective and not say batshit stupid things that make us look like a bunch of genocidal racists.
Idk, just a thought. Assuming that "genocidal racists" isn't a significant voting demographic that you are trying to appeal to.
Be careful. That could backfire.
This is exactly the sort of nonsense that my suggestion is designed to avoid.
If all you know about Hitler is that he was in charge of Germany during the second world war, they lost, a bunch of people died, but their uniforms looked cool (Hugo Boss, looks sharp) and people called him "Fuhrer" (German sounds so badass) then yeah, this kind of thing doesn't seem so off.
I want my representatives - whatever their affiliation - to have stood in front of the pile of children's shoes and the mass graves and the charred ruins. I want them to have stared at the abyss, felt the horror and the despair and the inhumanity and the evil and truly understood the weight of the responsibility they have to ensure we learn from our history.
You don't understand.
You can show them all the horrors of war, and they'll tell you that they have the fortitude to do whatever is needed to protect the homeland. To them not flinching shows how tough they are.
That's the problem, for republicans "genocidal racist" IS a voting demographic they're trying to appeal to.
I'm so fucking embarrassed for my state right now.
This makes two assbag comments just in the past three days.
Most of us here really are rational, normal people.
I expected it to be the same guy who called a basketball team a bunch of illegals, but it's not the same person. Are all Michigan reps this dumb? Just asking questions.
Edit: typo
Are you familiar with the Republican party?
looks at Flint water disaster
yes
Whitmer was at least a very very nice upgrade from Snyder
I once considered myself an Independent voter who could go with either a Democrat or a Republican. Republicans are making it very easy these days to call myself a Democrat.
This is disgusting. I hope this guy gets voted out.
Unsurprisingly the "genocide Joe" crowd never comments on articles like this when Republicans say or do stupid shit. I'm looking at you @linkerbaan
Likely not. His constituents are nutters.
Sick, demented
Americans have forgotten all of the lessons of WWII.
To be fair all guys like this remember is that we dropped nukes on Japan and the war ended. That's the depth of the thought process. Maybe also that we didn't drop nukes on Vietnam and we lost. That sounds about right for that guy's age.
Israel apparently as well.
These fucks are evil.
This isn't new. I remember them talking about glassing Afghanistan and Iraq back in the "turrerists hate our freedumb" days.
Pretty average statement from a republican, why do people support these deranged monsters again? I thought there was limits to stupidity but Americans keep making me hold their beer
Pro Life!
.....wouldn't that just be nuking both of them? Israel is about the size of New Jersey.
Yes, he thinks he is brilliant for his subtlety.
Biden: Only if Bibi asks nicely
Why not nuke Bethleham or Tel Aviv?
What an incredible idea, right? And then there won't be any negative aftermath like radiation or anything, right? Right?!
Asshole.
As I understand the geography, nuking Gaza would also irradiate a portion of Israel, so its not realistic anyway. I agree that genocide is asshole behavior.
We need a new word for stereotypes that’s way worse.
Does he also pass out pamphlets on eating babies?
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