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Ukraine fires US-made longer-range missiles into Russia
(edition.cnn.com)
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I wonder what the mental calculus about this is, considering that Biden knows a fucking moron is going to have to handle the fallout
I think he know Trump is going to help Russia in every way possible, so he might as well let Ukraine get since more serious hits in now while they can
yeah… with ukraine already talking diplomatic peace talks, i think they're just trying to use the next 60 days to get the best possible terms
Pretty sure Zelensky is just trying to keep a lid on Trump and appear high minded to other western governments. Then when Russia's demands are ridiculous he can point to them and go back to fighting with more support.
I think he's delivering on his promises to the MIC to maximize the money they invested in him before Trump enters office. If he gets us wrapped up in a conflict that requires deployment of US troops, so much the better for the stockholders depending on the Federal Government to get us as involved as possible.
Trump, while he did it for the wrong reasons, did pull the US military out of foreign wars during his first term. I imagine Raytheon and Boeing and Lockheed definitely do not want that.
Lol, my dude..... You do remember he also ended the nuclear agreement with Iran and then assassinated their most idolized military commander?
The pretext of Israel's ethnic cleansing is to rope America into a hot war with Iran. Trump is and has always been great for the mic.
Such a bad take.
I recall, yes.
It feels very odd to watch an American president do correct things for the wrong reasons. It's much more familiar to watch people like Bush, Obama, and Biden doing the wrong things for reasons that aren't provided to the public, because the narratives given around US wars are nearly always false.
Lol, war with Iran... A correct thing?
No, I'm referring to getting us out of Afghanistan and Syria specifically.
But you've noted, surely, that the US does largely support war with Iran by funneling WMD's to Israel, right? Unless you voted Green, you explicitly lent your support to it via your ballot.
Oh yeah, how are the people in those two countries doing now?
Yeah, it was pretty much guaranteed after the pull out from the nuclear deal....almost like elections have consequences.
Lol, it's a two party system. If you voted green you still lent your support to supporting a genocide, just in an incredibly stupid way.
We all pay taxes to a government supporting a genocide, some of us just don't want it to get even worse.
I could not care less. I'm more concerned with how people are doing here in the US.
I'm sure feeding WMD's to the Israelis for use against Iran won't be problematic for that.
False. The Greens are the only party expressly opposed to helping Israel murder people at will, but you can create whatever justification you like for the support you lend to it.
Just so I have this straight- you care deeply about Palestinians but don't give a shit about Syrians or Afghans? Why?
Lol, at least you admit it.
I'm pretty sure you don't care about that.
Again, I think you need to look up what a two party system is.
Thank you for the discussion.
It's fascinating to watch you and others engage with people who you know disagree with you in this way, especially after two weeks ago.
I wish I could say the feelings mutual.
It's fascinating to see how people like you seem to imagine everyone who disagrees with you as some sycophant obsessed with a political party. When in reality I'm not a fan of Democrats, and expected them to lose. I'm just kinda disgusted with the amount of people who don't understand the very basic concept of harm reduction.
I am the product of a bi-racial marriage, in a bi-racial racial marriage, living in one of the most conservative states in America. I'm worried for trans and queer friends, I'm worried for my openly bisexual wife, and I'm worried about some of my patients. Several of which are families that have been brave enough to seek gender affirming care for their kids in Oklahoma of all places.
The last time Trump was elected we had to do so much more work creating mutual aid and self defense networks. When that man is in power, people get more aggressively bigoted.
I get that symbolically voting green is great. In reality everyone knows that in modern times it's statistically impossible for 3rd parties to win any significant election. It's just sad to realize that so many people forget the very basics of mutual aid. And on a personal note, financially it's just not a great time for me to restart my defense and aid budget.
Russia says there’s going to be no peace talks without recognizing the new boundaries so, might as well carve out a big part of Russia for the Ukraine
Ukraine*. "the Ukraine" is an outdated term coined by people who never recognized Ukraine's cultural sovereignty
"The Ukraine" and "Kiev" were two outdated 80s terms I had to update in my head when the war started.
one of my best friends told me in 2020 it hurt her feelings a little when people used the term. not because they hurt her feelings, but because it meant societally, our understanding of her and her family's struggles came predominantly from people who hated them. it's worth relearning for the people it effects.
thats the spirit.
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