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Trump signals support in call with Netanyahu: ‘Do what you have to do’
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Don’t forget to vote third party to teach the Democrats a lesson about genocide….
Seriously the American Gaza protests are 100% about disenfranchising Democrats. They absolutely never go after Republicans. Ever. Ask them about this and they get suuuuper defensive and angry.
Of course not. These protests are about saying “we want to vote for you, but we need to see you do something about this”
Republicans being bloodthirsty fascists is a given, Democrats aren’t supposed to be. Kamala’s campaign should be the one messaging how awful Trump would be for Gaza, not random forum posters, but they don’t because she doesn’t have any functionally different policy on that than Trump.
I don’t get why this is hard to grasp.
If you voted uncommitted in the primaries - rock on brother, you were part of sending a strong message to the DNC.
If you plan on voting anyone but Harris in the general election - get fucked, you're accelerating the genocide.
Don't forget that showing up BETWEEN ELECTIONS to shape your local political scene is how real, long-term change in politics is accomplished.
I wonder how many of these people who claim they can't vote for Harris because they "need to teach the Democratic Party a lesson" have participated in primary elections or attended local party meetings to affect change.
Zero. The answer is zero.
Never, because before October 7th, they had never even heard of Hamas, let alone have any awareness of the Palestinian struggle that has been ongoing for nearly a century .
Well then you're about to get what you want. You'll teach her a lesson. Congratulations. Hope it's fucking worth it.
Lmao they’re not going to learn anything. Their takeaway will be “we didn’t try hard enough to capture moderate Republicans” and shift further to the right.
Instead of getting mad at people for not voting for a candidate that doesn’t align with their interests, maybe you should be mad at the Democratic party for running a dogshit campaign. Even from a pragmatic point of view, its a lot easier to put pressure on the party than to yell at hundreds of thousands of people with varying reasons for not wanting to vote for her.
I'm deeply pissed off at democrats for a lot of shit... I'm still not willing to murder women or Palestinians to express it.
If Trump is elected, women will die easily preventable deaths and he has promised to accelerate the genocide.
I'm not even advocating against voting for Harris, just don't blame the people that didn't if she loses.
I won't, although they should feel deep shame for contributing to a genocide.
I think Harris was a weak pick and our lack of a primary was a serious mistake. I blame the DNC for hand picking the next candidate instead of allowing the democratic process to proceed.
But, at this point, Harris is our candidate... so I hope to fuck she wins.
Do more. Get her and others in office, and then let them have it with your demands that we not only stop helping the war, but be active in forcing it to stop. Do that regardless of who is in office, but even in the "both sides" mentality which is more likely to sway to a huge public outcry, left or right?
This didn't begin with this election or Harris' campaign, although it sure feels like coverage ramped up around that time. Coincidence?
A side note on the primary - I do agree that Biden shouldn't have started a second run and we should have had a proper primary. We didn't, and the change to Harris was so late in the game doing a primary (if that's even legally possible) would have done more damage and missed the effect it had on Trump. We can't fix the past, only try and navigate the present, otherwise we'd probably be best to go back to 1947 and prevent this whole mistake of using superstition and western colonialism dictate what borders are where.
Oh good. At least you're aware you're killing Palestinians, taking away women's bodily autonomy, persecuting immigrants, and pushing the Democrat party further right. I guess I appreciate your honesty.
Crazy how you can look at the Democratic administration taking zero action on any of those things and somehow make it my fault, but go off king.
Good luck at the gulag.
They're trying to get people who will vote to vote for her. The aren't going to count on people who are saying they won't show up.
They've been doing it since Clinton won as a third-way Democrat in the 90s.
It's the only fucking way, demographically, that Democrats can consistently win. I consider myself a progressive, but I'm also aware that people need to participate more than once every four years if they want their party to change. But until that happens, they have zero reason to believe that it makes more sense to go left than center to get more votes (enough to win).
Blame yourselves
You know what virtually every 3rd party advocate like you doesn't say? Anything about how the 3rd party candidate would be good for Americans' day to day life.
What will your 3rd party candidate (lets ignore the fact that not a sigle post advocates an actual candidate)do for me that directly impacts me and my family's life? Will they fund social security? Are they advocates for ranked choice voting? Are they pro choice? Are they pro universal Healthcare? How about corporate reform? Dark money in politics? Net nutrality? Fucking crickets on all these topics from yall.
If you would get off the ONLY topic you all spew, maybe, just maybe, you could change some minds. The 3rd party push is so disingenuous, it's just as bad as Republicans who only vote for Trump due to him helping overturn Roe v Wade.
I am not a 3rd party advocate. Jill Stein and her ilk are grifters.
If you are not a 3rd party advocate, are you one of the nonvoters? Potatoe potahtoe
Look, neither of the candidates are perfect across the board. One candidate is by far the better one for my family being mixed race, immigrant family members, mostly women, most work public service and some are on medicade and social security. One candidate is staunchly against all of that. The 3rd party candidates are ghosts on all of those topics.
One candidate is giving Israel carte blanch to do what they want and to "get the job done". The candidate I'm voting for is not aligned with how I want that situation handled, but it is less bad than "do what you want".
If I don't vote or if I vote 3rd party, or I vote Trump, I can't live with how my family and I will potentially be treated.
That leaves me one fucking choice that isn't 100% what I want, but 80% is way better than the alternatives.
Both parties are the “get the job done” party. This administration has continued to give unconditional aid to Israel, and has not done anything remotely resembling a penalty to them for conducting a genocide. The only difference is the rhetoric.
I’m not saying don’t vote for Kamala, I hope she wins. My point is that all this anger should be directed at the party for alienating large swaths of the population that should be their base. I can empathize with someone who has family in Palestine or Lebanon that does not feel like they can in good conscience vote for the party that is supplying bombs being dropped on their loved ones.
This should be an easy win, Donald Trump is an incredibly unpopular candidate, and we should be outraged at the Democrats for making misstep after misstep in this campaign.
You realise you're doing absolutely 100% precisely what the Trump campaign would have you do right?
You're literally protesting against your own side.
This election will not be won or lost by a few hapless protestors, but rather by swing voters who are clueless about politics and have no idea what a gazan is. To those voters you're making Trump seem like a beacon of ethics and moral standing.
Go protest outside a Trump rally. I'm sure that will work out well.
u/xmonk couldn’t have said it better. I would say you have to be the stupidest person on earth to vote 3rd party but I know that Magidiots exist.
You do nothing but enable genocide by voting 3rd party. A Democrat loss in November GUARANTEES the genocide continues. The Republican Party is the party of Israel and they would bend over backwards to give them whatever is necessary to bring back Jesus Christ
A billion times this, but also I'm yelling and the veins are bulging in my neck. It's so far beyond beyond idiocy, so much so that I'm now convinced that left/right is a circle and these gnat-brained children are basically stealth Maga.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
Go read that article, especially the “Academic Studies and Criticism” section.
Just pointing out that it's a theory that already exists
Not to mention I haven't seen one of these 3rd party voters mention Ukraine. The Dems are the only thing standing between Russia and a lot more Ukrainians dying. If nothing else, vote Dem for them.
That and they're also not talking about what will happen to all minorities and women in the USA itself.
Once again, I am not advocating for 3rd parties. You guys are shadowboxing.
I’m saying don’t blame the people because the Democrats shat the bed in this election. Neither party is willing to reign in Israel, the Biden administration has done absolutely nothing to stop the genocide.
I’m not going to fault someone one way or the other about their decision to vote for Kamala.
Don’t worry I’ll do it for both of us.
I say this just for the others that will read it but if a normal Republican was running I’d vote red because I do not agree with a lot of kamalas policies and she seems unable to answer basic questions on how she will accomplish anything.
The issue lies with Trump. He was a terrible president and he is a pathological liar. I wish to God our candidates were anti murder but that’s not the case. We have to choose the lesser of 2 evils and make our complaints known in the next primary and throughout the presidency, whomever wins.
Problem with voting red at all is that republicans were trash to begin with.
How else did Trump rise to power?
Pence is being celebrated for going against Trump, meanwhile pence was actively fighting gay marriage while governor of Indiana.
Republicans are a shit stain on modern society.
Palestinian lives are a sacrifice the gaming-chair leftists are willing to make.
We can be anti Israel and anti trump at the same time bud. If you enjoy trumps America just say so. Don’t need to hide behind your facade of moral high ground.
Perhaps you can. Many others seem to find it difficult to wrap their head around the idea that, for the nonce, there's no way to be anti-fascist while aiding in the election of Trump, no matter how many rhetorical contortions are made.
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Oh yeah definitely. People couldn’t possibly be protesting to try to stop a Holocaust. It’s all about the Democrats.
You are the same people who were saying Biden should stay in the race and were dumbfounded when it looked like Democrats might actually have a chance once he stepped down.
If you people used half your energy to pushed Harris to take a principled stance on Palestine and stand up to Israel it would lead to a landslide victory.
Instead you want to shit on the left and let yourselves be pulled further to the right.
Meanwhile you’ve got shitstains like Elon Musk doing everything he can to ensure a Republican victory.
You only have yourselves to blame if she loses. Either way you’re going to go back to your lives and go to brunch, not taking any form of direct political action until the next election whatever happens.
As though they're being pulled.