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A painting of Lord Balfour housed at the University of Cambridge’s Trinity College was slashed by protest group Palestine Action.

The painting of Lord Balfour was made in 1914 by Philip Alexius de László inside Trinity College. The Palestine Action group specifically targeted the Lord Balfour painting, describing his declaration as the beginning of “ethnic cleansing of Palestine by promising the land away—which the British never had the right to do.”

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[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 229 points 8 months ago

Probably the only type of destruction of art as protest I condone. The piece:

  1. Is not very old or culturally/historically important
  2. Directly depicts someone at the root of this conflict
  3. Was deliberately targeted and the reasons layed out

Trying to destroy unrelated art work is just wasteful of our shared human heritage. Attacking symbols of oppression however is perfectly valid in my opinion and is to me perfectly reasonable escalation when peaceful protests obviously do not bring the changes needed.

I put this on the same level as African Americans attacking statues of confederate generals and other proponents of slavery to hammer home their point.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 49 points 8 months ago

Agreed, except that I would call this peaceful protest. Vandalism isn't violence. Violence is against a person. As long as no person was relying on this painting for their meals or shelter or whatever - and they definitely weren't - then no person was harmed.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 31 points 8 months ago

No no no, you don't understand. Violence is everything that disturbs those in power!

Mediocre art being damaged in one of the centers of power is violence.

Tens of thousands of people somewhere else dying is just a minor inconvenience.

[-] avater@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

so vandalism is in fact violence if you rely on the object? Like your car, your house, your bike...

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 17 points 8 months ago

Depends really, it's all deeply contextual. A landlord kicking a family out because they can't make rent is violence. Cops destroying an encampment of the unhoused is violence. Those people are hurt by those actions, even if not immediately.

It's not about reliance exactly, but about harm to people. Any action that can reasonably be assumed to harm a person is violent. Pulling a lever isn't violent, unless it's the trigger of a gun aimed at someone. Then a series of predictable physical processes unfold that lead to serious harm.

Breaking a plank of wood isn't violence, even if it belongs to someone else. That's just property destruction. But if someone was standing on that plank of wood and they fall to their death, you killed them.

[-] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 8 months ago

actually later on this will add more historical value to it.

[-] auraness@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Another important detail to consider is that these pieces are really only worthwhile for their historical value. I would argue that this response is more significant than the original production of the painting.

If anything, the value of this painting will increase due to the added historical value of this event.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago

Definitely. Historic or not, don't put bad people on pedestals. E.g. there's a reason why you don't see statues of Hitler in Germany.

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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 222 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s from the 20th century, and of the guy directly responsible for the mess in Palestine today as well as his shit in Ireland.

I’m about as outraged about this as I would be a Jew slashing a “historical” painting of Hitler.

I wonder if in a hundred years people will be upset over Trumps portrait getting ruined?

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 107 points 8 months ago

If we are going to shed tears for the loss of culture, then the loss of Roman era bath houses and early Christian churches in Gaza is quite a bit more concerning to me than this painting.

[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

This is something I am woefully uninformed about. Can you provide additional information/resources?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 84 points 8 months ago

Take a look at everyone clutching their pearls over this painting and think about what doesn't upset them

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh no, a painting! So much more important and relatable than children dying. That happens all the time.

/s

Edit: I'm agreeing with the above point, folks. Lives are more important than paintings. We need a lot more outrage about people dying and less about property damage.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 38 points 8 months ago

Has this prevented any kids from dying? Or is it in addition to children dying? Can people be upset at two (or even... three!) things at the same time?

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree with your point, but want to highlight that at no point did I suggest people can't be upset about multiple things. No offense intended toward you personally (or anyone really), but your response now seems to be the standard reaction to shut down anyone pointing out the disparity in media/public reaction between things like people dying or being repressed and material goods being vandalized or destroyed. It's getting better, but the theme of reporting tended to be that property damage is a tragic loss of irreplaceable treasure, while genocide was more akin to "some people went to sleep and didn't wake up again, maybe they should have complied".

Of course people can be upset by multiple things. When the magnitude of upset over precious but ultimately replaceable things being destroyed is greater than that for irreplaceable people being destroyed, then we have a problem.

At least that's my take and I'm anything but infallible.

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[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

If they punched a baby, instead, which is actually better than what's going Gaza, would it be wrong for people to be upset about them taking it out on something that has nothing to do with the criminals they are protesting?

It's a dumb thing they did and they are a piece of shit. But what Israel is doing is Gaza is infinitely worse. It completely reasonable and easy to hold these two positions at the same time.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 26 points 8 months ago

Uh... Balfour definitely has something to do with Israel.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

Are you arguing that this painting is to blame for this?

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago

The person it glorifies sure seems to be

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 19 points 8 months ago

I'm trying to imagine what it's like not able comprehend what's going on.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago

The Israeli army is retreating in fear. Now it's a painting, next time they might smash a vase!

The thing is that the is plain useless. Nobody is going to have a change of heart because somebody slashed a painting. If anything I think it can have a slight effect on the opposite direction.

It's also very interesting, some people defending this action and upset about Israels invasion seem very chill about Russia's invasion...

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're getting down voted, but you're absolutely right. Zionists will use this as another excuse to ignore the movement, while it does nothing to help the Palestinian people.

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[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

No amount of destroyed paintings won’t make me care more about Palestine

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 74 points 8 months ago

This has the same energy as destroying confederate general statues. Good on them.

[-] leraje 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There was a news article a day or two ago about a pensioner vandalising a statue of Thatcher. I feel the same way about this act as I did that - good on the perpetrator.

Unless a work of art is housed somewhere meant to cause reflection on all the actions a person took in their full context which includes making clear the problematic acts of the subject, they shouldn't be somewhere clearly meant to commemorate them. And if they are, then they're fair game.

[-] iain@feddit.nl 46 points 8 months ago

The comments are full of people who value one shitty painting more than they value human life.

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[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

Hang on a tick. Is that my old cheese? My good-time boy?! Or is he but a simple human man?

[-] Ashtefere@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago

Impossible, Jackeeeee d'tonaah is not that old. He is still in the spry of youth!

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

The very same, my dear boy!

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

That's how you get negative attention

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 70 points 8 months ago

If this attracts negative attention, Imagine the one commiting genocide could attract.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 43 points 8 months ago

Billions in aid and weapons?

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Sure, but also other repercussions like an old man asking you to maybe genocide a bit less, and we can't have that.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

All the while that old man will stress that we must support you fully, and that he'll never stop supporting you.

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[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Corporate media decides whether the attention is negative or positive.

For myself, I don't approve of vandalism but I fully understand their rage

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 31 points 8 months ago

I know right! At first it infuriates you, then you find out it was the guy who started this Palestine mess, and that it was a directly targeted attack.

Not blocking some road, gluing your hands to something, or throwing stuff at art behind glass and generally doing something that actually has any relation to your cause.

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 8 months ago

Look, you wanna protest and shit? Go ahead, but if you start vandalizing art in museums you instantly lose my sympathy.

[-] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 8 months ago

If art of the dude responsible for the genocide makes you lose sympathy for the victims, then maybe it’s time to stop pretending you care at all and just embrace the genocide.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

This is like taking down Confederate statues.

Why y'all worshipping assholes?

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[-] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 8 months ago

Apparently you didn't read the article, the guy had a direct role in the destruction of Palestine

[-] m13@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

Ugh. You insufferable robots moved over here from Reddit? At least you’re being downvoted.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

It was in a college, not a museum.

Paintings and statues in public places is a fair game imo.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

The Balfour declaration was just a letter

The British did not 'give' the Jews anything.

Hating Jews since the beginning of time is fairly sick. Thinking this will improve anything and being historically ignorant is just plain stupid.

[-] bali@lemmy.zip 28 points 8 months ago

i think the person who did this not hating the jews since the beginning of time and maybe the person did not hate anyone at all. how about focus on the actual eventlike the ongoing genocide by the israelimilitary instead of playing the victim card

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[-] xor 17 points 8 months ago

It was "just a letter" written on behalf of the British state giving their full support for the creation of Israel in what was, at the time, British-occupied Ottoman land that the British had already promised to return to the Palestinian people.

So yes, the British literally give the land - which was not theirs in any legitimate form - to a group other than the native population.

They then provided (and continue to provide) financial, political and military support for decades, while Palestine was progressively colonised.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

See, climate activists? This means something. Now please stop throwing tomato soup at Van Goge and Da Vinci.

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