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Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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[-] radix@lemmy.world 197 points 11 months ago

Nothing changed on the UNSC when Russia vetoed the resolution to leave Ukraine.

I'm not educated enough to say which is a "worse" violation of the principles the UN stands for, but I'll go out on a limb and say nothing will change this time, either.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, the whole idea of countries being able to veto UN resolutions are leading to exactly this, Russia vetoing all resolutions condemning their aggression in Ukraine and the US vetoing all resolutions concerning Israel.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 26 points 11 months ago

Who's to say the call for reform is only motivated by the most recent ridiculous veto?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I’m not educated enough to say which is a “worse” violation of the principles the UN stands for, but I’ll go out on a limb and say nothing will change this time, either.

Russia wants to annex a country. Israel is fighting a terrorist group. Russia is worse.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 months ago

Russia wants to annex a country. Israel is fighting a terrorist group.

Isreal has been slowly annexing bits of Palestine for decades. Those terrorists are the latest reaction to that.

Not that their violence against Israel is a good thing - far from it, but it's also not surprising.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Genocide is obviously worse than annexation. One just wants the land, the other wants to kill everyone on it too. Israel is far more evil than Russia.

That said nothing will change indeed.

[-] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 81 points 11 months ago

Russia is committing genocide. They're both evil. Israel has been doing it for longer and is better at it.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Russia is not out to kill all Ukrainians. They are annexing (stealing) land. They want land and then want to assimilate the Ukrainians into their country. (which is bad I'm not condoning Russia here)

Israel wants to kill all the people living on the land and replace them with their own race.

This is not nearly the same

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 11 months ago

Putin wants to russify ukraine, destroying their heritage and culture. That sounds like genocide to me, dawg

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[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 31 points 11 months ago

Fucking liar.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

Article two. Read it, and go silent until you grow a brain, a conscience, or both.

Russia explicitly, openly, and repeatedly states that they desire elimination of Ukrainian nation. Their official stance, repeated by their president and all the state media is that Ukraine and Ukrainians either don’t exist or are a “historical mistake”. Whether they target the entire nation or just the parts they can reach is of no import for the definition of genocide.

In fact, Russia ticks off all five definitions in article two and least points a), c), and d) of article three in Ukraine alone.

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[-] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Forced assimilation" is one way to commit genocide. Another is through holocaust. The Holocaust happened to be genocide via holocaust. Gaza happens to be genocide via holocaust. The definition of genocide doesn't require it be committed via holocaust.

Edit: fixed an autoincorrect

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 85 points 11 months ago

Which will be vetoed by all permanent members of the security council.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

American here, I support this call.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

I mean, same. The ability of certain blocs to railroad the UN is obscene. We should protect our veto tho

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

We should protect our veto

The countries that currently have a veto make less sense the way the world is developing.

France and the UK have a veto, but Germany doesn't? China has a veto but India doesn't?

I get that it's based on historic disputes after the war, but it doesn't fit the current world well.

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[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Our veto is the problem here. Vetoes in general are the problem.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Because of "one nation one vote," it is trivially easy for the more hardcore Muslim bloc or authoritarian nations to shove things through that should absolutely not be shoved through.

[-] galloog1@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

And basing it off population would essentially give China and India the power to vote themselves whatever they wanted. It's the US legislative problem all over again and do we really want one world government in the end?

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago

The problem in this case is depending on the security council to act on an issue it isn't designed to address.

The main purpose of the UN is to prevent global war, and the Security Council is the primary way in which that goal is achieved.

In that context, the P5's veto power makes sense. It prevents resolutions pitting the world against one of the superpowers that can sustain that kind of war.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

There shouldn't be a security council

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[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

How are they supposed to cater to the MIC if some random bunch of countries can cut off their markets like that?

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Israel only exists in its current form because the advocate for the original UN plan was assassinated by a zionist terrorist. Israel was born an enemy of the UN.

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