Ah yes, that most cherished of freedoms, the freedom to let children die of easily preventable diseases
Up until now we've mostly seen diseases like measles and chicken pox but I'm expecting polio to show up soon ... then the shit will hit the fan.
sigh
It's a shame it's the children of the ones who fuck around who get to find out
Yeah.
My grandma was a nurse in the polio ward back in the day, and I had a friend (many many moons ago) who'd had polio.
Even more of a shame that other people's children are collateral damage
Whooping cough is back. Yay.
‘Murica!
Can we just call these people pro-pestilence instead of dignifying them with names like 'medical freedom activist'?
I swear this sort of euphemism has become the obvious tell that they're up to no good and still demand respect for it
Up there with "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" as far as names that usually mean the opposite of what they're claiming, huh?
How many children are going to die because of these very likely 'pro-life' activists?
Yeah but how many will it save from vaccine death or, worse, autism? I mean surely the vast number of deaths related to childhood vaccinations in the past four decades will uphold their argument.
Edit: /s
Which vast number?
I read it as pretty heavy sarcasm, but there are people that dumb, so I may be wrong.
I believe this is sarcasm, but it is hard to tell…
how many will it save from vaccine death or, worse, autism?
The number of people that are missing the obvious satire here is making me sad.
Pretty sure this was sarcasm...
When someone says "I'm not against all vaccines, just the ones for COVID", he is usually lying. In time this "skepticism" will slide into being against even the common vaccines and it can be seen now. My favorite blog Respectful Insolence had a good post about the so-called "medical freedom":
"Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have become a rallying cry for libertarians, far right wingers, and even outright fascists. Indeed, the Republican Party has become a bastion of antivaccine and anti-public health hostility, a process that actually predates the pandemic by at least several years. “Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have always been code words for dismantling public health infrastructure, anything resembling a vaccine mandate (even in schools), and dismantling the FDA.
Same strategy as "School Choice" or "Parent's Rights", the first was created to suck money out of the public school infrastructure and put an end to quality free public schooling, the second to basically make children property again.
Yeah, many are against only COVID because it’s gotten all the attention. But whatever leaps in logic, conspiracy theories, and blog-eurekas have them being against the COVID vaccine will apply to all the others as well. There are people in my family who don’t get their flu shot for the same reasons as the COVID one.
We want the freedom to have our own day in medical practice performed on our bodies!
But also ban all abortion care and all HRT and send people to prison for disagreeing!
Parents with autoimmune children will teach their children to take more precautions in life but with a stronger sense of love. Republican Parents will kill their children and their bloodline.
If Republicans are so hellbent on Killing Children let's at least look at the bright side and note it'll only last a generation or two.
Bullshit, and this is the same fucked up defeatist logic people used to avoid a covid vaccine mandate.
Anti-vaxxers are not just hurting themselves, and they are not hurting themselves more than the rest of us, and they are not hurting themselves anywhere close to fast enough to kill themselves off. If you were right, this wouldn't be a problem at all. Anti-vaxxers don't die at a high enough rate to counter the spread of their stupidity. Covid, Pertussis, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, these diseases kill the sick, the elderly, the young, and the immunocompromised. The people who suffer most are the ones who would get vaccines if they could. It's dangerous to act like they are hurting themselves.
We were real close to eradicating the measles virus worldwide. Then this stuff happened.
Parahprasing greatly here, but in her recent book, Naomi Klein pointed out that most Americans are pilled as fuck on neoliberalism, and because the pandemic is a naturally occurring and obvious contradiction to its fundamental tenets (individualism, meritocracy, competiton, etc.), the only way to square that circle was to go insane.
I find that framework very useful. These so called activists are pilled as hell on this fundamentally individualist concept of freedom that inundates us Americans from birth. It's an almost entirely empty conception of freedom. Basically, we can say whatever we want while owning guns and generally being selfish. No one is entitled to be free of childhood disease though. That's not freedom because it encroaches on others being selfish. If you genuinely believe in individual liberty above all, as Americans are taught from birth, then childhood vaccinations are wrong.
Unfortunately it's a really fucking stupid way to run a society.
I think it's much more than that.
For example people also pretend the mode of transportation requiring licensing, regular checkups, a rigorous following of additional rules and the requirement to constantly display your identification is somehow the epitome of personal freedom.
So I'm pretty sure it's not just "going insane" as the reality contradicts their believe. There is also a fuck-ton of ~~brain-washing~~ lobbying/advertising involved to influence people to move into certain directions. The move to resist vaccination simply isn't natural in the US (it certainly wasn't in the past), unless for a very small group of people. Then is was coopted and inflated as just another front of a cultural war to divide and polarize people.
That’s a sobering thought regarding the strict regulation of private transportation, and how much more access and discriminatory power it gives the police.
I was on one of the vaccine trials. Had a cab driver on the way back from one of my checkups go on a COVID rant. It was awkward after I told him why I was there. Lmao. I'd do it again, felt great being protected asap, plus money.
The first concept of vaccination was invented in 1796. It was an unknown idea before this. Which religion has an opinion on this and how exactly does that work when there was no concept of the thing in question when any of these religions were formed? It's such utter bullshit on its face. There's no grounds for this. It's made up crap on top of made up crap, as a grounds to shirk a simple procedure that saves lives.
But, also, this headline is dumb. Religious medical freedom advocates have been about this for ages. The only thing new is they got one dumb judge to make a bad ruling.
I don't have any evidence for this but it seems like the vaccine pushback is at least partially a desire to avoid responsibility. If they choose to vaccinate and their kid is in the 0.000001% who experience adverse effects then it would be their fault the kid was hurt but if they don't vaccinate and their kid just happens to die of measles or whatever then it was all part of god's plan and they didn't do anything wrong.
Hey, fundamentalist smoothbrains, since "thinking" isn't something you all like to do all that often, let me translate your pseudo biblical gibberish into plain English:
"I'd rather have some young person who had to fight for their life already loose that fight than allow my healthy child to get a little pinch and feel kind of down for three days"
"I'd rather have another parent stand at the grave of their little joy than allow my child to have a little ouchie on an arm"
"I'd rather cite Christianity as the reason why I act in a way Jesus would have turned away in disgust from than be a Christian and care for the most defenseless, helpless in our society this one little bit"
God, I miss the 70s when everyone got their shots at school and anyone who ran out of line was called a pussy and was dragged back to get their shots so they didn't kill grandparents and babies.
When did we become so weak and scared? These idiots are gonna be the ones that bring back polio and measles.
We may not see many repercussions from this now, but when the unvaccinated grow up and the viruses have had a generation's worth of time to spread - just wait till a pregnant woman gets mumps and has a profoundly deaf baby. Or their toddler gets polio and ends up spending potentially years in a hospital, only to be released with lifetime disabilities. I know 2 people with polio, and one who is deaf due their mother having mumps (pre-vaccine days). Their lives, and the lives of their families, was/is hard. I wonder what grandma and grampa, safely vaccinated, will say when their grandkids start falling ill.
The people of "the party of pro-life", trying to spread plague.
You can't make this shit up.
Awesome! Bringing back Polio to own the Libs...
There should be a mandatory vaccination against stupidity.
I luckily (for many reasons) don't live in MS, but what if I don't want to subject my kid to a miasma of germs from these plague rats? Where's my freedom?
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