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What do you hope comes after it ?
Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.
You can have cooperatives right now.
The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can't do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.
Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.
The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don't bother investing in coops. You've obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.
No I haven't.
But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.
Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?
I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don't issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.
Or cooperatives don't issue bonds because they believe that nobody will buy them.
It's the perfect investment for people who don't want to participate in the usual capitalism.
If you ever try starting a coop you'll find out how hard it is to get investment in practice. It's kind of hilarious that you think nobody thought of these obvious things to try before you.
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Pure chaos.
No, this is Patrick
Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.
Winter
Deflation would actually make capitalism somewhat ok. It would stop people from buying useless shit and automatically reward the poor who can save a little but don't know how to invest. That's why I Bitcoin
Bitcoin doesn't make it OK to get paid just for owning something, it's just less capitalist than dollars. Miner profits tend towards zero with difficulty adjustment, and Bitcoin doesn't pay to stake holders at all.
How is this not ok to reward those who don't spend? If we are going to stop climate change we need to stop consuming shit as much as possible
I think in this case the distinction between getting a reward and getting paid is important. Bitcoin just appreciates in value with the rest of the economy - you don't get paid a higher percentage of all bitcoins from saving them - like you do from staking, or holding dollar bonds.
My criticism here is against capitalism, not against Bitcoin. Bitcoin's best feature is that it minimizes profits, and inequality caused by the Cantillon effect.
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