I'm not afraid of Ubuntu, I'm afraid of the need to use the the Ubuntu forums when I have an issue.

I use arch wiki btw.

Or mint, if you're a newbie

Honestly, i don't like debian and it's derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I'd love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.

That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now... ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?

People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source... debian

Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it's too difficult or user friendly or whatever... may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore

Yeah, all the good parts of Ubuntu have been backported to Debian years ago.

I haven't given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.

Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I'm legitimately not sure.

I'm not opposed to Canonical's monetisation model. I think charging for extra updates and packages is fine as a way to make money. But I can understand why people don't want advertising in their operating system, though I personally think that a simple line of text showing up on my terminal following a flood of package-fetching and script-running results is tolerable.

Ubuntu Pro is free for up to 5 machines.

Ubuntu pro Costs handing over your Data to a company.

And if the whole concept of getting extra security updates for unsupported packages really bothers you

And if it Bothers you that a company actually supports the packages it is making availible...

No, Ubuntu pro brings faster Security updates, even for still supported apps.

Oh wow, I didn't know that. Thank you for clarifying.
However I have to say I'm not necessarily against self promotion as companies and organisations have to sustain themselves but advertising your service every time the user updates or upgrades is way too much compared to KDE's once-a-year donation request for example (that can be easily disabled).

On another note I have experienced BTRFS and have seen the light, never returning to ext4 😭😭

... and live kernel security patches, removing the need to reboot out of schedule.

I've paid $$$ for that in commercial settings. Getting it for free is actually crazy.

I can't make an account, because I can't complete a Recaptcha. Google Recaptcha is used on every ubuntu.com signin page. (This means I also can't submit bug reports.)

..you can just make a second account..

I'm already gone if I have to make an account to run an OS on my hardware. Fuck everything about that.

Apparently you can turn those off but I haven't bothered.

If you're using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn't cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid

Last I used Ubuntu you do indeed get an ad every time you apt upgrade You can still go into some config file and remove it though

I'm an ubuntu user and it was like that for a brief period but then they removed it after an uproar. I think. I double check it once I'm at my laptop

Pretty sure my work laptop tells me every time that I'm not getting some security upgrades, because I'm not using Ubuntu Pro.

I believe, there's some semi-reasonable justification, that they're only holding back upgrades for packages which they wouldn't normally maintain anymore, but yeah, it still looks horrendous from an end-user perspective.

+1 for Mint. It's what I give the elders when they need a computer.

Linnux?

It's for LTS releases only. So you rarely see it on desktop, but for sure will see it on servers. My previous job, I ran LTS on my work laptop and would laugh at everyone always getting a forced update right before scrum. This new job, I have to use WSL on this Windows laptop and guess what, I'm in forced update hell. I can understand that for some(or most) the pro message would be annoying, but I'd rather see that pro message 100 times a day then get a forced update at random times. Especially right before meetings.

Yeah, it's the Cognitive Bias fallacy. Reminds me of all the anti Linux users who continue using the "Linux wont be ready for the average user, because no average user wants to write a compiler from scratch just so they can compile their programs". If you don't like something, you don't like it. No problem, no reason to whine and cry about it. You like a different distro, great, go use it. That's how distro's work. Everything eventually helps everybody and you just pick a distro that gets you close to what you want. I started with Slackware 3.4, to me everything is great.

It's only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.

If you often find yourself in a position when you can't troubleshoot issues yourself, CachyOS might not be the perfect option. It's Arch far and wide, iirc since I tried it about half a year ago, it doesn't even feature something as basic as the app store, and is heavily terminal-based. Considering how many diverse issues Arch can create, this turns into a nightmare very quickly.

Currently, I ended up running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my machines.

• It's an OG distro, so no fork issues
• Has decently large userbase
• Is nearly as bleeding-edge as Arch
• At the same time is rock solid thanks to advanced automatic package testing
• Does not brick your system upon poor update
• Has good and user-friendly documentation (that can be understood by non-nerds, unlike Arch Wiki)
• Unlike newbie-friendly distros, does not assume user is an idiot and gives all power at your fingertips
• Has btrfs and snapper properly set up by default to easily revert most mistakes you can make

So, generally, this is the peace of mind rolling release distro that just works, doesn't bother you too much and at the same time allows you to spend as much time under the hood as you like. You're unlikely to break anything, you can always revert if you do, packages are well-tested and unlikely to cause issues, and on this solid foundation, you can do anything you like.