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Classic peaceful religions
If you believe in eternal torture or happiness after death, basically anything is justifiable here on Earth to bring someone to your side or prevent them from "falling" to something that would land them in the bad place. In fact it's not just justifiable but a moral imperative if you believe you can save someone an infinite amount of suffering even if you cause temporary suffering now.
If someone believes in a god that implements eternal torture, they believe in a god everyone should despise, and should at least be honest about that part. Don't call it love, call it fear and terror.
The idea of a life after death where an idyllic eternal life can be simply purchased with belief demeans and devalues this life. You will never convince me that someone believing such things would be more moral and ethical than someone who believes that this life is all we get. I would argue that such belief is a cornerstone to a lack of ethics and morals because it implies nothing in this life really matters.
The whole known world is reduced to being a glorified sorting hat.
If the only reason you don’t harm others is so that you’ll get a place in paradise, you are not a moral or ethical person, you are a an egotistical hypocrite and a fake “good person”. Non-religious people who don’t harm others simply because they respect them and just don’t want to harm them, are the truly moral ones.
It doesn't imply that nothing in this life really matters. It implies that belief and living a life following the moral code outlined in the respective book and interpreted by the respective religious authorities is really important. That's the whole ruse and why religion like this works tremendously in achieving its goals.
The violence isn't caused by the hell belief; it's institutionalized by the hell belief. Abusive, violent, hellfire religion is an institutionalization of the habits of abusive, violent parents. Get rid of the actual physical child abuse, and the violent doctrine has nothing to sustain itself.
Hell is just a metaphor for how terrible it is when your parent screams at you and beats you. To a small child, while that's happening, it is eternal. You are wholly condemned, wholly guilty and judged, and no part of you is safe from pain and punishment. The doctrine of hell is religion telling you that's normal.
Without hell religion, kids who are beaten by their parents might grow up to beat their own kids. Or they might get over it. Or they might not have kids at all.
But under what circumstances do you get generations of kids getting beaten, growing up, having kids, and beating those kids too?
That's where hell religion comes in. It tells you that the beating isn't just your parents being terrible people; it's an explicit command from God, who created the whole universe. It's not just your parents, it's how the whole world is supposed to be. And you're supposed to grow up and do it too.
Hell religion tells you that it's wrong to recover from the abuse that was done to you. Stay traumatized; stay violent; put on the character armor of God and raise the rod to your own child so that they stay on the same shite-and-narrow path that you were put on.
Anyone burning down schools to "protect the children" should take a very hard look at themselves. I hope they catch the people responsible quickly.
I do fear that this will cause some more islamophobia here (and we already have plenty). The problem isn't religion per se, it's misinformation. People believe that this program would cause teachers to teach kids how to masturbate, which is obviously ridiculous.
Unfortunately, fake news is more common in certain groups. One of those groups is muslims. It's the same reason why vaccination rates are much lower among them.
It's a problem that runs very deeply and is a consequence of a failed integration approach.
Yeah and a large cause of the integration failure is religion. If the culprits are extremist Muslims, they absolutely won't "take a hard look at themselves". They hate secular education.
Wtf Belgium, you’re not the United States. Chill out.
We arent the us, no worries :')
The problem is that extremists are everywhere and with the easy access of information, things from other places are happening here too, even if they are not applicable ( like police voilence or blm protests ). That said, fuck those extremists, whatever their background is :')
Also, this article sucks. It doesnt even explain what the new sexual education is about
I'm sorry... you don't think police violence and BLM are applicable in Belgium?
Police violence is endemic wherever the police exist, and I find it hard to believe that racism against black & brown people isn't a problem in the place that ruled the Belgian Congo until 1960.
I wonder if I just google "belgian police racism"...
Oh. Oh no.
Oh we definitely have racism. It's just less "black lives matter" and more "only my skin colour matters". And yeah, this definitely extends to the police too. But given they're very, very scrutinised every time they dare pull their gun in public, at least we don't have the "police raids wrong unit and shoots owner" happenings.
What is happening is still far from OK, any instance of racism is one too many, but the problems here are a bit more nuanced than what is in general shared on a public, overly-Americanized forum.
And in case you are American/Canadian/Australian, can I please point back to whatever is still happening to your native population? Not a single country is free from blame from what they did to other or their own nations. Call me butthurt, but I'm getting quite a bit tired of getting called out on the Congo on every single thread mentioning Belgium while that was mostly, originally one man's doing. Again, nuance, I know more stuff happened afterwards, but it's not relevant to this thread.
I don't care about your personal level of culpability or whatever. This isn't a nationalistic game of finger pointing, you know that, right?
Like yeah, my country did genocides too. That's just reality. I'm just not so small minded that I think it reflects on me personally. The ruling class is always the numerical minority. Fuck Australia. Fuck every state. The difference is that I'm not out here trying to pretend like my dominators are any better than the rest.
Like if you don't want to have people constantly pointing out your country's violent racist crimes both historical and present, maybe stop trying to downplay them. Maybe people wouldn't say this to you so often if you listened for once and stopped volunteering that your country is actually pretty good in comparison. It. Is. Not.
You completely ignored the fact that your police are racist, and it's not against white people. Your "only my skin colour matters" line sounds one step away from the reverse racism crap that white supremacists love to bang on about. It's the most American thing you've said so far.
I think they meant "with only my skin colour matters" that Belgium has a higher rate of racism against other skin colour than just black people. As a lot of the bigotry is also cultural, so more against where you from specifically, instead of which colour is your skin. As it is in most of Europe. The North African and Arab community has got it bad since they are Muslim and brown and the biggest group of immigrants. So he definitely didn't ignore it. He only pointed out that there are some policies in place, so that the actions of racist cops at least cannot lead to the slaughter of innocent people.
Pointing out the differences is not as bad as you think. It high lights what policies and changes can at least minimize the effect of racism. Just saying everything and everyone is racist, independent of the impact of bad and good policies, will just create a hyper cynisme that it is all shit and any change doesn't matter.
Thing is, you will have the problem everywhere and forever that humanity exists, but it is in a way lower number of cases and police is just a way less hostile environment then in some other places...
Not my police
I mean, we, Belgium, are basically the US of europe. We've got: federalism, secessionism, shitty prison system, rising extreme right and police brutality. We're a bit more lucky on the lgbt and racism side though
De Croo spoke just hours after a sixth school in the French-speaking Wallonia region was torched this week.
Sixth burnt school this week! Holy shit.
As it turns out, fundamentalists are actually terrorists.
Because they are educating the children! How dare they?!
Since I didn't immediately understand what this is about: "EVRAS" stands for "Relational, Emotional and Sexual Education" and it is a general guide for schools on how to educate school children on this matter. How many hours are advised, which topics should be talked about, etc. For example the UNESCO and the WHO research and work on EVRAS programs. But each school implements it differently, it's just a framework.
This is a summary on topics which are mentioned in the program. So it's basically a help for teachers on how to talk about that stuff:
- Promoting the respect between boys and girls, women and men ;
- Offering the possibility to anyone to make informed choices and to act by respecting oneself and others ;
- Preparing pupils to physiologic, psychologic and social changes linked to puberty ;
- Offering the possibility to everyone to get necessary aptitudes to face every aspects of sexuality and romantic relationships ;
- Promoting the capacity of everyone to communicate on sexuality, emotions, relations and to acquire necessary vocabulary to be able to communicate it properly
Sources (hard to find because everyone's talking about the arsons...):
They have great objectives. Hopefully they are pursuing them in a safe/sane manner.
What would you think of as an unsafe manner?
I can think of many things that could be argued as fitting in those categories that are happening in some countries that are unsafe. for example having books in schools that are already categorized as not suitable for children. you can find may youtube videos of parents trying to quote some of this books to the school boards and the school board usually shuts them up for indicency. so i don't think that content that the school board is not comfortable with and think it's indicent as safe. but you can frame it under 'Promoting the capacity of everyone to communicate on sexuality, emotions, relations and to acquire necessary vocabulary to be able to communicate it properly'.
"Previously categorised as unsuitable to children" and "offends some school board members" aren't useful metrics.
please share what would qualify as useful metrics .
Something that contains information rather than just referring vaguely to what other people thought about it.
Your last comment was a long paragraph with 0 actual information about what you consider unsafe.
can you be more specific? i shared information. its not safe to expose kids to pornographic novels, doesn't matter if it's lgbtq or not.
edit; to ellaborate and be as specific as possible, it's not ok to have 10 year olds reading oral sex instructions and telling them that it's not only ok but that it's good to do it? so it seems unsafe to me to encourage a 10 year old to give blow jobs.
Your edit is what I was looking for, specifics about what is and isn't safe according to you. And for that specific one, I think that's reasonable.
Though I don't see even improved sex ed as ever teaching the specifics about how to do various sexual acts. It would be more of a dos and don'ts list. Like don't reuse toys without cleaning them, be aware that sexual fluids have enough volume to sustain bacterial and fungal life, so you should always clean your toys after use. Or if you're rubbing your skin raw, use some lubrication. Or that it's normal for there to be a bit of pain the first time, but if it keeps up like that, you might have a medical issue that a doctor can help with. Or how to tell the difference between normal discharge and abnormal discharge that should be checked by a doctor. Or symptoms of early pregnancy and how tests work.
I really hope you are right. they should also do it when it's really relevant to their experience/hormonal development, and I know some people develop earlier than others so it should be on the younger end of the time window.
Sounds like some adults need to be taught the program, too.
United States will be sending a cease and desist letter. Our playbook is copyright protected.
Same shit, different century.
The land of Marc Dutroux and Cristian fundamentalism. Forget the fries and waffles.
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