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[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago

But with less irony/satire.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

The book the movie was based off of was a more serious piece of work about military authoritarianism and what that ultimately leads to.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

The book talks about a society where you need to do service (military is one type, but there are other services that are non-military) to gain citizenship and voting rights. The fictional society justifies this by stating that only those that have put something on the line for the nation deserve citizenship (the book says this, not my idea).

Then the book spends its latter half describing a fictional Officer Candidate School while Rico is underway. The book does not describe military authoritarianism - that was invented by the director of the movie, who famously celebrated not having read the book.

None of my commentary should be construed as supporting the ideas in the book, only correcting what the person I am responding to incorrectly described as the subject of the book.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's a fair correction. I guess authoritarianism is too far of a comparison for the book. I had read it a long time ago and remembered it pretty much straight up glorifying the military and military conquest above all, and as you say, the only path to citizenship is through military service.

It is a militarily dominant society, but that doesn't necessarily require authoritarianism as the movie portrayed.

The one thing missing from the movie I wish they had put in was that in the books, IIRC, they had mech-like suits that had to be learned how to be piloted/used, and I remember that being a decent bit of a few chapters just learning how to use their mechanical battle suits.

They did not go into battle with some basic kevlar vs giant bugs.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do note, the society tries to dissuade people from military service and does not at all glorify it. Don't know if you remember the interactions with Mr Dubois, the civics teacher.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Shamber@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The neoNazi youth program, cause the clan is not enough

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

These fools will have a lot of spending money. Help them part ways with it.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Nah

"Leaked" documents are that all the signing bonuses are for multi-year contracts and so forth. So trumpy is pulling a putin and basically plans to save money between desertions and people being too afraid to ask for their money from the fascists they protected.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

80k is still more than most of these doofuses have ever had and they will find something to spend it on.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like an opportunity for infiltration.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

You need secret clearance, which means they will go through your social media and interview people you know, including prior employers and schools. There is also a polygraph.

Your post would be disqualifying.

If you wanted to infiltrate, you would have had to plan to do so for many years.

[-] Zorsith 5 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure polygraph is for TS, not S

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Poly is standard for LEOs, secret clearance does include poly.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Zorsith 4 points 3 weeks ago

Same. Mine is within the last 5 ish years, too; i didn't even get contacted beyond telling me i had my interim.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I knew a few people with TS and it really depended on the job, (because need to know) how extreme it got but never, not once, did I ever hear about someone getting a polygraph for a TS or secret clearance. And granted my only experience was the military. It may be different for three letter agencies, but I find that unlikely given my experience with how the government works. Basically if you don't have any glaring red flags, you got it. That being said, that was before this administration. I hear there's a loyalty test now but I can't verify that.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, I know I'm disqualified. But I also know that there are people who aren't.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone who would be so minded as to act in a way that undermines or is in direct opposition has certainly disqualified themselves on social media and in reputation.

They would need a clean or blatantly pro Trump social media profile and multiple people to vouch for them that are the same.

Even once they get in, they would still have to follow orders and they would be the one contributing to what they hate directly or they would be fired and/or imprisoned.

Seriously, the only way to get into a position to be able to do anything would have to decide to flip or being playing a long game that they only just recently found out about.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's a big country with a lot of people in it.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Like, don’t tell them your lemmy username?

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't use any other social media or haven't posted anything disqualifying, then not telling them about your Lemmy account would help your odds.

The poly and/or reference interviews would not work out for you anyways.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

People should join and fuck it up from the inside. Go and start deporting fascist republicans as well.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is interesting...it means they can't get enough interest in the existing age range. I assume the next step is trying to force the National Guard into those roles. That or hire mercs.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

First thing that popped into my head for some reason.

https://youtu.be/VCkFSe3voRc

[-] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do you care how old a nazi is?

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