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[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago

People really trust it? Like it’s been so wrong on things for me, I automatically skip to search results past it. Why bother anymore

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

People on Twitter regularly go “@grok is this true” to everything and trust the AI to be correct.

The same AI that said the fresh photo of National Guard members sleeping on the floor was from 2021…

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

people still on twitter are complete, brain washed idiots... so this behaviour tracks

[-] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

google search has been trash even before llms, i believe its one of the reasons chatgpt got so much traction. first 2 pages are just generic slop with paywalled or ad-infested content.

i switched to kagi 2 years ago and its has relevant results on page 1 that i won’t get in google even after 10s of pages. plus i don’t bombed with ads for that term for weeks.

[-] sprite0@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

they purposefully fucked up the search so people would have to click more pages to find their answer, giving google a chance to display more ads.

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[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I use extensions to block AI results... having to skip past them is annoying

[-] Tillman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I still find it weird that people don’t use Kagi for search. At least start page or ddg. Google hasn’t been useful for five ish years and admitted in court that they damaged results to prop up ads.

[-] SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Yup, I've been seeing more and more people straight use AI results to support their arguments.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I know several people in my community who confidently trust it for search. they are not stupid people.. but sometimes I question their choices

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[-] ckmnstr@lemmy.world 98 points 1 week ago

Which is such a shortsighted move because as soon as all the news portals close shop Google's scraper will have nothing relevant to summarize and is gonna be shit.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago

Nothing is stopping the AI summaries from using social media as the primary source

[-] ckmnstr@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Can't wait for Google to AI-summarize AI-generated social media posts for artificial Google users created to hike ad prices. It's gonna be wild

[-] Zier@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

The robots only want to hang out with the robots.

[-] ckmnstr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

So social media are news outlets now. Good. Glad we cleared that up.

[-] Star 4 points 1 week ago

Seems inevitable 😮‍💨

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In the context of my original comment, social media companies like Meta and Reddit have fought tooth and nail to not be considered news networks or news outlets specifically because they don't want to be beholden to the laws that regulate news outlets/networks. Jeopardizing their ineligibility to be sued for what users post (in the US) by going all in on AI LLM's scrapers when those scrapers rely pretty heavily on news networks and other media to stay useful means they'll starve themselves of AI scraped content, and that they'll potentially forfeit what protections against lawsuits they have. It's a no win situation for them to continue to bet on AI which has already largely reached the limit of what it's capable of in current iterations because of the lack of clean organic training data.

[-] smayonak@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's a huge disaster in the making. There's probably a game theory model that explains what's happening but damned if i know it. AI is a trap.

At the beginning of LLMs as a consumer tech phase, the big tech companies believed that they would soon generate synthetic data without human labor costs. But synthetic data caused model collapse when used as training data. So they still need humans.

But now their competitors are using scrapers and summarizers and those are expensive so they have to extract more value from search traffic and that means fewer referrals to sites. Fewer referrals to sites reduces original content and leadabto less traffic and training data for their models.

The only two ways out are to create an international regulatory body ornto break up facebook, microspft, and google.

[-] Star 3 points 1 week ago

I do respect your optimism, but realistically, I doubt they're forfeiting anything. Fox News broadcasts blatant lies daily. All they had to do was a behind the scenes rebranding.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Fox news isn't legally considered a news outlet. In fact we have literally seen them admit to not being one in court proceedings.

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[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

That’s when Google will buy what ever is left of Condé Nast or Buzzfeed at bottom dollar and start using more AI to shit out “news”.

[-] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Watch his recent interview with Nilay Patel from The Verge. Watching him dance around questions about this was painful.

This man only cares about increasing Alphabet stock prices to ensure as large a golden parachute as possible on the way out.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago

This man only cares about increasing Alphabet stock prices to ensure as large a golden parachute as possible on the way out.

This Is literally his legal obligation, welcome to capitalism

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The sad part is this is actually his job description and Alphabet could get sued by shareholders if he didn‘t do exactly that. The stock market needs to be criminalized, not glorified as the one truth like it‘s treated right now.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

You described all executives everywhere.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago

One of the problems that the major news outlets have is that they repeat each other. It's not merely an issue of AI compiling news stories, but that on top of the fact that all of these newspapers are doing hardly any research. For example, if you live in a town that's not too large, there might only be one local paper, and they might send out reporters to local events. Obviously you would then go to that newspaper if you wanted to learn about local events, because they are adding explicit value.

But if you're trying to read about national politics, a lot of the information is going to be the same in a lot of the newspapers. Which means nobody cares about the newspaper itself. And this is a creation of the newspaper's own decision making over the past few decades.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

Wouldn't this kill their ad revenue? Which is like...most of their revenue?

[-] 3abas@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

Ad supported articles is a dead industry, Google realizes this better than anyone. People don't go to the source anymore to answer curiosities, why would you read a whole article to answer a simple question when AI gives you the answer directly?

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

I meant why would people advertise on Google if it won't convert to clicks anymore?

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

why would you read a whole article to answer a simple question when AI gives you the answer directly?

context?, nuance?, verifying the AI slop?

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

With what passes for news these days at most outlets I can't say I feel too bad for them that someone else beat them at their own game of feeding the masses surface level doom scrolling slop for engagement and ad impressions.

Hell, a large chunk of the junk being put out by these same outlets is trash written by the AI solutions they are paying for. Probably solutions from the likes of Google that is giving it to them at both ends.

Once the snake finishes eating its own tail maybe the good reporters will still have somewhere that pays them for the good work they do.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

“Every day, we send billions of clicks to websites, and connecting people to the web continues to be a priority,” a Google spokesperson said in a statement. “New experiences like AI Overviews and AI Mode enhance Search and expand the types of questions people can ask, which creates new opportunities for content to be discovered.”

They followed up with: “You can totally trust me, and everything I just said. I am absolutely definitely not lying.”

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

With a link to NYPost lol

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago

No! Pushing AI generated garbage is our job!

[-] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago

Google wants it all this time. No traffic for anyone but them after they steal all your content.

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

They saw what AOL tried to do and decided they can make it work.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

Oh no... Not the major news outlets, how ever will we cope. Let them burn.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm about as anti-corporation a person as you'll find, but I don't think we should be cheering the death of the Free Press. I know it's edgy to say "it's already here", but that's just not accurate. When true journalists are gone, the only thing left will be propaganda.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

You think the billionaire owned press is free? Some smaller independents may deserve support but that isn't major companies.

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[-] coolmojo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Then how would I know the 10 surprising things I can do to be healthier? /s

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

I am sure ChatGPT can make something up for you each day

[-] aaron@infosec.pub 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most news sites ask me to consent to google tracking or pay, neither of which am I prepared to do in almost all cases. I am sure I am not alone in this. Their decision to align with google in this way is more than a turn off, it is an indication of their untrustworthiness.

I shouldn't need to explain why I do everything I can to avoid being tracked by the likes of google. The idea that I will pay to be subject to propaganda died with the 20th century. If news outlets want my eyes on their pages they need to come up with a way to make it worth my time.

We need new search. Really we need a new web.

Blockchain's immutability might serve a public record of 'news', even moreso if combined with certificate verified identity on information disseminating 'social' media. The blockchain could actually be useful in this case. You don't have to link your irl identity to your internet identity everywhere, but it might not be a bad idea in the areas of information disseminating social media. These are just idle thoughts.

Edit - I saw a post today purporting to be a twitter screen grab of a James Woods post with a reply. The James Woods post was a screengrab of a video, supposedly of the current LA riots, with a comment along the lines of: Democrats can't talk about peaceful protest and support this. Following this was a reply saying 'this video is from 2020'.

I have no idea if either or both of these tweets happened, if the video was from 2020, or if either person were who they said they were! With the blockchain's immutability you could verify all of this automatically, and algorithmically reduce the reach of repeat offenders' posts.

There is a lot of value in this in terms of public discourse.

Similar processes could happen with both scientific/academic papers and government policy v. outcomes.

It might change the nature of the public debate.

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