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Lack of high quality public transit.
"Just drive bro"
Eating meat. It contributes 15-20% of the entire planets greenhouse gasses alone. And people do it just for pleasure. It's mindboggling.
people do it just for pleasure
there are other reasons, and pretending there aren't won't help youconvince the people who continue to choose it.
Can you... Provide some of those reasons?
cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I'm sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There's a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they're objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we've left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can't say it's my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I'd put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn't care about consent, just because it's easier doesn't mean it's right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? "In this house, we say the N word!", "okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!" Like, stick up for what's right, don't crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn't permit amoral acts, convenience isn't a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience of most people. they don't want to see the disappointment in their grandma's eyes over something they don't believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they didn't see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong
we've been over this: most people don't think it's wrong.
just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
i didnt say it's right. i said it's a reason people choose meat.
Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies.
this doesn't change the fact that, for some, in some situations, it is a better source of calories-per-dollar
culture doesn’t permit amoral acts
we've been over this.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper
sometimes, for some people.
stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect
most people don't think eating meat is morally wrong.
Oh god I didn't even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you're the worst, most bad faith debater I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don't argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than "no, actually".
Don't bother replying, I'm blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
I’m blocking you
oh thank god
You don’t argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than “no, actually”.
there's no data you've presented to discuss
you’re the worst, most bad faith debater I’ve ever had the displeasure of talking to
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things.
i think you meant immoral. as it turns out, culture is a great reason to choose amoral actions, and most people think eating meat is amoral.
What? Meat provide like 90% of my protein intake. What are you suggesting here? Stop living?
Oh yeah, you are doing fine just by eating vegetables. I don't.
And no, I don't eat meat to have pleasure. I eat it to live.
If you have non-meat alternatives that are within your means and provide the same nutritional value, and you still choose to eat meat on purpose, then it is for pleasure. But if you have a specific circumstance that is preventing you from switching to alternatives, then that's a different story.
I'm not disagreeing with you. My mother has been a vegetarian for decades. She suffers from blood pressure problem and constantly has to go see her doctor. Every time it gets worse she has to eat a small amount of meat to boost her nutritional level, but then she always goes back to being a vegetarian.
If it's OK for anyone to have a meatless diet, good. If further more he or she does it to save the planet, even better. But not everyone can do so, so I hope those who can do it stop pointing fingers.
Why doesn't your mother take a vitamin?
Some people would look at the oncoming environmental end of civilisation and go "ugh, another VEGAN trying to shove their ideology down my throat"
but i have an extremely rare disease that forces me to eat dead animals, animals do it too, plants feel pain, a vegan was rude to me 10 years ago, and its not like me paying for farmers to kill animals and thus creating a demand for meat means i have a hand in it!!!!!!!!
Legalize cannibalism
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is not the matter of the state!
"Capitalism isn't a big deal."
As though giving a select few billions won't corrupt the nation around them over time.
And as a corollary, people acting how they just can't imagine how an economy could possibly work if people who do the actual work owned their means of production.
Pronouns. Especially bad when a 2SLGBTQIA+ person makes out like its not a big deal.
Its the most simple, base level thing you can do (using correct pronouns for someone etc). Doing it is not a big deal. Its very easy. But if you choose not to, despite how small of a deal it is, then you turn it into a very big deal.
I don’t really care, nor do I see it like a big deal. I’ve done my best in the past, but it’s also easy to say it wrong by accident.
Also, I don’t have the least idea what 2SLGBTQIA+ means, so I need the person to be clear with me what I should say.
I mean, obviously you can't just magically know someone's pronouns. The point is that you try.
thats like any conservative or liberal i try to reason with
Not a specific example, but it infuriates me more than anything when people say it doesn't matter that hardware, software and media are becoming increasingly dependent on an internet connection to operate.
People lack the foresight to care that the things they are paying for right now, wont last like similar things do from 10-20+ years ago.
Your old dvds, vhs, cds, vinyls, game consoles, tvs telephones.
The current implementations of these mediums have taken ownership away from the consumer, and nobody cares.
I anticipate a massive loss of historically pertinent hardware and information that will result in the new norm of paying for limited access to anything and everything.
Maximum consumption and profit, minimal preservation and environmental efficiency.
Nobody cares, like we are all slowly boiling frogs.
not if you are a big fat P I R A T E 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
hint: be one and stop financing the slop industry
I buy the games that deserve it, when i can afford it.
Over 900 games on steam, not garbage either.
Piracy has its place, but voting with the wallet is important too.
of course, got factorio recently because addiction. and a few others.
pay people who dont nickle and dime you and actually deserve it, its already a great start.
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Trump getting elected in 2016. “The checks and balances will keep him in line” I was told.
To that I say: go fuck yourself.
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When people dismiss children's concerns. Maybe to adults is not a big deal, but to kids it does matter. I make an effort to pay attention and listen when a child tells me something.
This. Sexual abuse goes ignored because of this attitude in parents
Absolutely and lets add that some children only disclose once to a trusted adult who might not always pay attention. It breaks my heart.
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Trump getting elected
People not caring about their privacy and their data being collected and sold to everyone. "Eh, it's not like my data is worth anything". If it wasn't, it wouldn't be sold, moron. All those spam and scam calls you receive? Yeah, that's because your "worthless" data is being sold, resold and spread out everywhere. But hey, if you fall for a scam and lose, dunno, 50k dollars, it's not a big deal, huh?
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