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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago

This is a direct violation of rights under the US Constitution. If they can detain and send non citizens abroad with no due process then there is no functional block to them doing it to citizens. All the same reasoning applies because the US Constitution gives everyone in the US rights. The only thing protecting citizens right now is the lack of a law directing their deportation and the willingness of ICE to check documents.

[-] Kayday@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I was curious, so I tried to find the article. Here is an excerpt from NPR that I found first:

Panama sends 97 U.S. deportees to migrant camp after they refused to be repatriated
PANAMA CITY — Panama transferred about one-third of the deportees from various nations it had received from the United States to a camp in its Darien province Wednesday, an area that became the main thoroughfare for migrants traveling from South America to the U.S. border in recent years, security officials said late Wednesday.
The migrants sent to Darien had refused to voluntarily be repatriated to their countries and will be held there until third countries can be found to take them, said a Panamanian official familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the US sent the deportees to Panama, and all of this is happening at their governments discretion. Obviously they are in this situation because of the US, which I am not happy about, but it doesn't seem to follow that the Trump regime is sending people to concentration camps based on this event.

Edit: Someone else linked the original article, which has more details.

Context, the deportees aren't even all from Central / South America. At least one mentioned was Iranian. So it seems the US is just sending people to Panama who didn't even necessarily originate from there, so that the US doesn't have to deal with them anymore. Seems disgusting.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Panama is accepting planes with random people because of US threats to its sovereignty (canal). While it could absorb 50 or so new Panamanian "tourists" who might well migrate north again, making it not Panama problem, it is sure that they expect to receive more under condition of "making them stay"

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 27 points 2 days ago

Someone keep an eye on BASF here in Germany. I hope no packages leave the plant for panama....

Disgusting fucks.

[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

Is there ink to the actual article I can read?

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago
[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Thank you. I’ll give it a read.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

From the article (thanks @ditty@lemm.ee) it's completely clear that:

a. This is just a temporary holding camp until the illegal migrants can be repatriated back to their original countries

b. This isn't even a US camp - it's a Panamanian camp - so if you want to be mad about the unconfirmed conditions of the camp, you should be mad at Panama

c. This is in no way a concentration camp, and divisive, intentionally inflammatory one-liners like this from talking heads on Twitter-likes continue to be the bane of public discourse.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 days ago
[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm pretty sure it's also lined with inflammatory rhetoric, so I think I'll just keep reading original sources and waiting for facts that are supported by evidence.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago

If the past 8 years aren't enough for you to see where things are headed, I'm guessing you are in the "it's not happening until it affects me personally" camp.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not quite sure what the past 8 years have to do with the Panamanian government, but I am certainly in the "I'm not going to assume that Panama of all places is running a concentration camp until I see some actual evidence of it" camp, especially when they probably don't want these migrants anyway, and don't seem to have a reason to vindictively mistreat them like the US does.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 59 points 2 days ago

Nothing is more permanent than temporary.

If they were motivated to do permanent well, they wouldn't have bothered with temporary.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Panama all but made it clear that they don't even want these migrants in the first place - why on earth would they then imprison them permanently on their soil at significant cost and potential political backlash now that they're out of the US's jurisdiction?

Like, it's obviously possible that's the case, but I can't see a reason to do so that makes any sense.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 25 points 2 days ago

Do they have a choice? Are alternatives mired in bureaucracy? Can we JAQ all day?

I'm commenting on specifically on your point of being "just a temporary" camp somehow excusing poor conditions. If I only put my dick in your ass temporarily, does that not infringe on your dignity as a person?

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Why is panama taking them in the first place if there was somewhere else for them to go?

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The article doesn't address that, so I'd be speculating, but if I had to guess, I'd say either:

  1. US authorities determined that Panama had some sort of culpability for the migrants entering the US - maybe they were lax in their policing of the Darien Gap, for example

or, also quite likely given how much of a petty dick Trump is:

  1. Trump forced Panama specifically to take them as a show of power related to his threat to steal the Panama Canal.
[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

That's kind of tangential to the point I'm making. I'm trying to say that I don't think these people can be legitimately returned. Making them another state's problem is a way to make it out of sight, out of mind, and make it hard for people to protest. Last time, under Trump 1, there was a lot of (rightful) fuss about the detainment camps and how the Trump administration argued that they shouldn't be required to provide blankets, soap, and lights that turn off at night. No need to be too concerned with any of those details if it's happening half a world away, see?

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Hehe, permanently.

There's an easy way to reduce the number of prisoners and make it temporary once the camp becomes too expensive.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

a. Temporarily concentrating a group of people together in a camp is still a concentration camp.

b. Then why are the US getting involved and sending their own undesirables there? At best, this is a bad thing Panama are doing, and the US said "hey cool we wanna remove people from society too but don't want to build our own concentration camps because that'd look bad, can we send them to yours pls?"

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Outsourcing the concentration camps doesn't make it any better.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Source that the Panamanian location is a concentration camp? Random Twit-heads don't count.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

How is this not a concentration camp? Idk what your definition of a concentration camp is but rounding people up in a camp with poor conditions sounds like a concentration camp to me.

[-] Rozauhtuno 10 points 2 days ago

This is just a temporary holding camp

@remindme@mstdn.social 3 months

[-] remindme@mstdn.social 3 points 2 days ago

@Rozauhtuno Ok, I will remind you on Tuesday May 20, 2025 at 6:02 PM UTC.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago
[-] remindme@mstdn.social 1 points 2 days ago

@octopus_ink Ok, I will remind you on Tuesday May 20, 2025 at 8:14 PM UTC.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's fair. I guess we'll see. Just because the camp remains open doesn't mean that people aren't being repatriated in a timely manner though.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Wow you dodge the entire issue of the US Constitution and legal Asylum so well. I'd like to see you in a Dodgeball game.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.

I've always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.

[-] tjsauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It's not a separate issue at all, these people would not be in Panama at all if the US had followed its own laws, and these camps would not exist.

The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That's a very niave outlook on global politics.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Whether the US is following its laws or not has literally nothing to do with whether this Panamanian location is a concentration camp, which is the talking head's claim and the entire point of this comment chain.

The US is calling the shots, you admitted they might not be following the law, and yet you expect the US to follow the rules they create and break? That’s a very niave outlook on global politics.

It would be, if, once again, the specific day-to-day operation of these camps had anything whatsoever to do with the US, which it doesn't seem to.

Please read carefully this time:

This is not a US camp. This location is constructed and operated entirely by the sovereign government of Panama, and we have no evidence that the Panamanian government is doing anything that could be construed as being a concentration camp. If anything, Panama is likely being forced by the US to detain these people against their will, giving them even less incentive to mistreat them, especially since these camps are now international news.

[-] amino 6 points 2 days ago

cope and seethe. shove your concern trolling somewhere else

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