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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Funny that there are pairs of trains from Krakow to Gdynia or Prague to Zürich that have the same termini but very different routes. Imagine going to Innsbruck only to wake up in the middle of Germany.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 13 hours ago

sadly incorrect now that SJ dropped the night trains göteborg-umeå, despite significant protests

[-] not_IO 6 points 22 hours ago

why does italy have 2 identical lines where one of them just skips taranto what did taranto do

[-] Baguette@lemm.ee 6 points 18 hours ago

That looks fine to me. I'm no civil engineer but the lines connect on both ends, so a person can hop off and go to taranto, or stay along the top coastline. I'd assume the lines were doubled because people used that line so often that it was better to just create a whole new one.

[-] ambitious_bones@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Spain and Portugal: no thank you

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 2 points 10 hours ago

Tried to get a train to a festival in Portugal next year. Not a chance. 24H travel time, multiple layovers at remote stations... 200€ per person.

Flight, 90€, 3H... Sorry climate. ={

[-] az04@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

It existed up until the pandemic, Trenhotel, I took it once. Fell asleep in the center of Madrid, woke up in downtown Lisbon. The trip had beautiful snowy landscapes lit by the full moon. It's such a shame it's gone.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago

And Ireland? Or is the map just having a very specific interpretation of "Europe"?

[-] Servais@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago

Are there night trains in Ireland?

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

There are no trains in Ireland T_T

Even the fucking Bus Eireann wouldn't go all the way to Donegal back in the naughts because fuck driving all the way up there, right? Capitalism at its finest.

[-] Nightweb@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

a night bus use to be seasonal till few years ago XD

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

I don't know, but that'd be the point, right? If it framed Western Europe we'd know that those countries don't have any, but cutting them off just makes it ambiguous.

[-] deedan06_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

night trains are for long distances. Can't really do that on an island. Night trains are basically just sleeper trains, but those connections need more than 3-4 hours of distance to make sense

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 10 hours ago

... yes, I know what a night train is. Your point?

For the record, there are far longer routes in Ireland, Spain and Portugal and far shorter routes captured in the map (in distance, we could have a long talk about the pros and cons of promoting overnight train over high speed rail for the same trip).

[-] Servais@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I see it more like "Ireland doesn't have night trains, so let's focus the map on the part of Europe where they have most of them"

Edit: the interactive version can be found here: https://back-on-track.eu/night-train-map/

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

And I don't read it that way. That's why it's ambiguous.

I am even more confused with that link, though, because they do seem to have listed lines in Spain flagged as "important seat-only connections". So... connections to where? Why are they cut off? Do those extend into Portugal or terminate in Spain?

[-] guillem@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

They used to have the Pau Casals train BCN-ZRH but they deemed it non profitable or something :(

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Unpopular opinion. Night trains are never going to make a dent in air travel.

I've traveled right across Europe by train a bunch of times, so I've taken a good few night trains. In Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, a couple in the Balkans, even the Dogu Express right across Turkey. I've also taken day trains everywhere, of course.

Every single experience on a night train was something of an ordeal. That's because a night train is basically a hostel on wheels. Staying the night in a tiny cabin in extreme proximity to strangers, without privacy, without access to a decent bathroom, this is just never going to be competitive with a short flight, no matter how cheap it is. For students, young people and more adventurous types, sure, it's a great idea.

The only genuine solution to the plane problem is high-speed rail that is fully competitive on price.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 11 minutes ago

Lots of people would still use buses so there is a plus to keeping the trains

[-] innermeerkat@jlai.lu 24 points 1 day ago

There is another answer: improve comfort in night trains.

Being able to eat in a restaurant in a country A, sleep in a comfy night train and eat a breakfast in a country B would be way more comfortable than a flight imho.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The problem is that for most people over about 21, the biggest component of "comfort" is privacy. This is why people book hotels rather than hostels, even when the hostels are stylish and luxurious. Of course, night trains can be hotels-on-wheels too. The better ones have first-class cabins with private bathrooms. But this makes no sense from an environmental point of view. At this point you might as well take the short flight.

The best couchette-style service in Europe right now is the recently introduced Nightjet mini-cabins. Capsules, basically. This is a major step forward IMO but I still don't see this tempting most normie travelers. And so expensive, too.

[-] timestatic@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

Once they start rolling out more mini cabins I hope it will become more affordable. I think this can be the future to expand sleeper trains to a wider audience

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Yep I hope so too.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There used to be one going directly from Northeastern France near Basel to South France Cerbere. It was the best one for going on vacation from Germany. They killed it because it wasnt profitable enough :/ Now you have to go through Paris which is a horrible stop to have to take.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You don't absolutely have to any more. There's a Strasbourg-Lyon TGV link. Less than 4 hours.

Thats only half the distance tho

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Sure, but you avoid the Paris hassle. And get there quicker too, because it's TGVs all the way.

[-] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

cries in american

Wasn't expecting that from Scotland to be honest.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I tried it once to get to London for a meeting. The best way I can describe it is this: if you manage to go to sleep, it's great, otherwise it's horrible.

[-] guy_threepwood@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Penzance to London is a similar experience, but with older trains.

[-] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Caledonia Sleeper

I wanted to take that train when I went on holiday in Scotland, but there was a train strike which jumbled our plans a little. Sad

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