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[-] Monstera@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

That farmer's name? Albert Einstein

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's the same reasoning why I pollinate my neighbours wives.

SCNR.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I just got done listening to an old Behind the Bastards about Trofim Lysenko who was a Soviet scientist whose job it was to increase crop yield. He ignored Darwinian evolution in favor of a type of Lamarckian evolution that fit better with Stalin's politics. This involved planting massive amounts of seeds per acre with the idea that the seeds would help each other grow better. He falsified his data to show that this worked and in the long run led to the starvation of 30 million people.

I don't mean to criticize communism by mentioning this. Certainly capitalism has shown the same adherence to ideology in spite of evidence with climate change. I just think it was an interesting bit of history in light of the post which is actually good agricultural science they also fits with collectivist thought.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

He falsified his data to show that this worked and in the long run led to the starvation of 30 million people.

The causation here is a simplification of a famine that had many other factors (I don't think Lysenko was particularly important to it, even) and also a wild overestimation of the death toll of the famine

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

That death toll also includes China who also used Lysenko's fake farming techniques. Russia didn't want to admit their plan wasn't working and China didn't want to admit they were failing using the method that supposedly worked so well in Russia. Farmers reporting low crop yields in both countries were blamed and accused of hiding food for themselves. The deaths definitely fall on a lot of shoulders, but at its heart was Lyselko convincing the government to use his plan with false data and continuing that lie even after he knew it wasn't working.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

That's interesting, I didn't know that Lysenkoism bled into China, but your number is still nonsense because

The causation here is a simplification of a famine that had many other factors (I don’t think Lysenko was particularly important to it, even) and also a wild overestimation of the death toll of the famine

. . . applies even more to China. I'm no expert, but I've read a lot of people complaining about the GLF and its agricultural practices and that just never came up. I'm sure it's a bad way to farm plants, but I think what you're trying to depict is the product of anti-communists making mountains out of molehills wrt Lysenko. Lysenko is an incredibly convenient communist boogeyman who seems to verify every tired stereotype about communists, so saying it was this specific guy having an unfathomable level of influence [and thereby communism expressing itself to the fullest] that directly lead to a trillion people dead is an excellent bedtime story for those anti-communists so they have an easier time sleeping on the mountains of corpses butchered by their liberal states.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

All I can say is that the host of behind the bastards is an excellent journalist who does thorough research before each episode. I don't have any expertise in this topic, but in other episodes where I am knowledgeable his research has been accurate.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, my suggestion is to look at any other histories of the two famines, including ones by rabid anti-communists, and you will see that there were many other factors (not that I expect a rabid anticommunist to talk about crop blights or kulak sabotage, but still).

[-] anonymous111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You can criticize Communism for killing millions of people. It's a shame you felt the need to put that qualifier in there.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Communism didn't kill the people so much as Stalin's habit of killing people who disappointed or disagreed with him led to massive falsification of scientific data and crop yields.

[-] anonymous111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I've explained elsewhere why the first two happened. The third was in large part due to the US blockade of Cuba.

[-] anonymous111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

My 100% rebuttal is also explained elsewhere.

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Not exactly sure why, but I feel like a heart felt "fuck Monsanto" is due here

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

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