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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 142 points 3 months ago

I have to admit that at first I was concerned that switching candidates so close to the election would hurt the party. Im glad I was wrong.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

The old rope-a-dope strategy. Put out an old feeble conservative democrat to lull the opponent into a false sense of security. Let the conservative opposition nominate a dog-eating couch-fucker as VP. Then yank the geriatric coot off stage and replace him with someone 30 years younger and normal looking who can string a full sentence together without drooling.

Rock bottom expectations are fully exceeded. Right-wing oppo strategists are sent scrambling for a new messaging game. The median American voter fully forgets these two people were part of the same administration and excitedly claps at the jangling keys.

Not since Reagan cut a deal with the Ayatollah of Iran has any presidential candidate so effortlessly hoodwinked their rivals. Truly a master class in winning elections. We hope.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Wait when did couchboy become a dog eater, are we just reversing their comments as projection?

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

Always because yes

[-] MJKee9@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

This is the first time the Democratic strategy hasn't disappointed me in years. Nealy everyone is pushing in the same direction, and the messaging has been nearly flawless.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Everyone is pushing in the same direction because everything is continuing to slide to the right. People want policy from the left, not this neolib right-of-center crap

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

Completely agreed. Since the 90’s, the primary lesson democrats have learned is to never cross Wall Street. This is evident in their policy to not implement serious reforms during their terms and then wringing their hands when republicans pull the rug even harder a few years later.

It may give them money they need now, but they’ll find themselves beholden to the same masters as Republicans if they don’t shift back to real liberal ideals soon.

I am very relieved that it looks like Donald won’t win, but I’m also not excited about a Kamala Harris presidency either.

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I thought the idea might have been planted to subvert the democrats and push voters from the polls.

Hopefully the energy behind the Harris campaign lead to her presidency and a more blue government.

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[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

Same. When it was announced I was literally like, "fuuuuuck". But I've since change my tune and legit have a modicum of hope again.

[-] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 11 points 3 months ago

I'd like to think there is a strategist in her camp who urged Biden to stay in for as long as he did, and only swap out after the first debate, closer to the 3 month runway mark. And that strategist is just waiting until after the election to gloat publicly about the scheme.

Now that's a conspiracy theory I can get behind.

[-] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I've had a similar thought about it. The timing of him dropping out was near perfect in hindsight, right after the Republicans locked Trump and Vance in and taking all of the wind out of their sails right when they were eyeing the finish line. If someone planned that far in advance they'll definitely deserve to gloat!

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

This is me exactly. It makes me so happy that the Dems are doing a good job.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I was wrong. I'm happy to say that.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 85 points 3 months ago

Oh she did that for me practically on day one of announcing her candidacy.
She is obviously intelligent and has very good political ideas.

But something hit me recently, with George Bush it was said he was the kind of person people would like to have a beer with. Which was allegedly a big reason he won.
But I certainly see that with Kamala Harris much more. Kamala Harris seems like such a genuinely nice person, who can also have a bit of fun.
So Kamala if you find yourself in the neighborhood, feel free to pop in, my treat. 😀 🍺

[-] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 71 points 3 months ago

I know that’s a really silly metric to judge them by, but I think Walz is that x1000.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Yes that's what my wife (and many others) say, I just haven't seen any interviews with him yet, I've just seen pictures of him on stage with Harris, and a video of him buying donuts.
Everything I read about him is good though, so I believe you. I'll take the chance and say he can come along too. 😋

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I just haven't seen any interviews with him yet

Let me help change that, with one of his 'hot takes'

[-] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

I thoroughly enjoyed that, thank you.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

otoh I like John Cleese's line. He said he wanted a candidate so brilliant that he, Cleese, would be afraid to sit at the same table, lest he be proven a complete dunce.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Unfortunately Cleese was pro-Brexit and is now attacking "woke-ism".

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

So what?

I like Ed Koch's take on different opinions. He said that if you liked him 51% of the time you should vote for hi. If you agreed with him 100% of the time you should see a psychiatrist.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Unfortunately, that’s a much higher bar than we’re aiming for this time.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

I think it's more that today's American politicians reel it in.

Clinton was know as a policy wonk, and Obama would go from community organizing to the U. Chicago law school without missing a beat. Even George W. went to top schools.

Harris could go toe to toe with the best minds out there; she tailored her responses to Donnie's level.

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 54 points 3 months ago

Can you imagine how incredibly different things would be right now had Biden stayed in the race?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We would be listening to a brand new raft of excuses for his second debate performance. Instead of watching Republicans make up conspiracies about bluetooth earrings.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

She's certainly exceeded my expectations, and Trump has not met mine, either.

I thought the GOP would have made more out of the lack of primary voting, and been prepared for Harris. The way they were pushing Biden out of the race, I thought for sure they had a strategy to capitalize on the chaos of switching candidates this late in the seasons.

But Harris herded the kittens in the DNC, and came out swinging. Trump, meanwhile, was clearly unprepared for any of it. I'm very happy to have been completely wrong about it.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

Literal "dog caught the car" moment.

[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“Harris’ popularity is astounding and could very well beat out Biden’s support in 2020… Now, to the polls. Both candidates are NECK AND NECK it’s gonna be a DEAD HEAT until November Trump could very possibly WIN OVER ALL THE SWING STATES.”

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 18 points 3 months ago

That's unfortunately not really a contradiction though, given the electoral college


I think Harris will obliterate Trump in the popular, but that's sadly not what matters.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If The Superbowl had a roughly 1/5 chance of the winner being declared the loser because of a technicality, we would burn this shit to the ground. Yet, here we are with roughly 1/5 of all presidential elections being overturned by the EC.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

She still has one policy she needs to correct.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

Maybe if she can get into the position where she can do something.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

State Attorney General? Senator? Vice President?

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

None of those are able to affect any change to foreign policy. That is the president's job alone.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I put up a comment about it yesterday, but I'm predicting Oct 12- 16th for a pivot.

Specifically, these debates mostly nothing At this point, if you were going for Trump, there is no debate performance that is going to change that. Likewise for Harris voters. As well, we're just about past the point where voter registration is going to change anything. Just about the last 2 weeks of September and the state which matter won't be accepting new registrations.

So it's down to people that are likely voters who are still withholding for some policy positions.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 9 points 3 months ago

Realistically she's got quite a few of those, but when given a bad but not fundamentally different from what one had before option, and a make everything far worse option, and a situation that makes trying to choose a third option an exercise in futility, the choice is a no-brainer.

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[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Favorite ice cream?

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

No one outside of the donor’s circle liked Biden. He was a chump block to the progressives & the left

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

No one outside of the donor’s circle liked Biden.

No one inside the donor's circle liked Biden. That's why his fundraising tanked out in those last months. Kamala's surge in donations was in large part the mega-donor class sitting on their wallets until Biden was ushered off the ticket.

He was a chump block to the progressives & the left

He was a chump block to keep Bernie off the ticket in 2020. But there was no real risk of a Berniecrat running for office in 2024. The party has been moving steadily to the right since Carter and spent this primary cycle knocking out any half-decent progressive without a seven figure war chest.

Now he's just dead weight. Everyone is happy he's gone.

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

What an amazing choice that was. Just imagine an alternate universe where Biden was still running. 😳

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

No need to imagine. It was barely a bit more than a month ago.

And to be clear, those who are trying to beat people into submission in the issue of genocide were the same who tried to beat people into submission on the issue of Biden s ability to win. They where wrong them. They're wrong now.

[-] Catoblepas 9 points 3 months ago

The people who were shitting blood over how anyone who wants Biden to step down is a Russian agent will unfortunately learn absolutely nothing from these events.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Well now the blue maga are shitting blood about how anyone who wants Kamala to have a more electable position on Israel Gaza is a Russian agent.

Fascist apologists gonna fascist apologise.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

She crushed the debate. She learned from the mistakes that Hillary made IMO and handled him like the child he is. The fact that she managed to hook him with the rallies was fantastic.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

She actually is exceeding expectations.

Before getting the nod, the narrative was "everyone hates her".

I fully expected her numbers to be worse than Biden and while they're currently dropping to Biden-ish levels, she's doing better than anyone really expected.

TBH - I still don't believe she'll beat Trump. I'd LIKE her to, but the numbers she's putting up in Pennsylvania and Michigan aren't encouraging.

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I dont think people really started liking her. Biden just made himself that much more unlikable. When he stepped down Kamala got a massive swing because the DNC actually listened to us for once and made an actual fucking change. People saw hope for something better the first time in years.

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