President Biden announces a series of tariffs on green energy products from China. : usa

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 156 points 4 months ago

We can’t let stopping climate change get in the way of capitalism!

[-] ed_cock@feddit.de 23 points 4 months ago

That's protectionism, not capitalism.

[-] jaspersgroove@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Tomato, tomato. The free market is a myth, there is no part of the economy that goes without manipulation. Anytime business owners can’t directly manipulate the market themselves they bribe governments to do it on their behalf.

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[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 21 points 4 months ago

That's no true Scotsman.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 130 points 4 months ago

These go right against our goals to increase use of solar and EVs. ☹️

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 84 points 4 months ago

Really important for world emissions for the US specifically to transition to EVs too, considering it has the highest per capita road emissions in the world.

[-] gramathy@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 months ago

Most of that is because we truck everything and trains only get used for extreme bulk like coal

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

We can thank the US oil and auto industries (the same ones dictating these green energy tariffs to their political puppets), for that too.

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[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago

It does sadly. On the flip side, China seems to be trying to capture car manufacturing markets by subsidizing their producers. This would probably be a bad thing in the future if allowed. Hopefully the US government does more work on making it easier to purchase electric cars in the US(specifically the price) while also reducing the need for driving.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 46 points 4 months ago

What exactly is wrong with a country subsidizing green energy products? Not only that, but making them available cheaply to other countries?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

The US Government doesn't want US automakers to lose market share so that they have plenty of manufacturing capacity that could be retooled to make weapons in case of war.

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs, they're all mostly building gas-guzzling oversized trucks and SUVs. US automakers intentionally killed EVs in the 90s, and hoped no other country would start building them.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs

Tesla? Rivian? Lucid? Faraday? Fisker?

To be clear, yes, of course I understand that those are all luxury brands, but that doesn't make your statement any less false.

No, the major auto manufacturers aren't going all-in on EVs, but that are all getting deeper every year. There's no reason to expect that progress to slow down, as they're all quite entrenched in the technology at this point.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago

Average new car cost is $55,821, and average cost of ownership is $12,182.

The American manufacturers do not want lower prices. Dealerships don't like electrics because there's less maintenance.

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 92 points 4 months ago

That's not how you ensure America leads the world in them. That's how you ensure corps feel safe not doing shit to innovate anymore. This is just another form of a bailout.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Didn't they do the same for Japanese goods back in the day? Not sure it helped the American automotive industry.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 79 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

also Biden 🤡

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[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 4 months ago

these actions already admit defeat

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[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago

Interesting word choice. China wants to "dominate", the US wants to "lead".

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 75 points 4 months ago

Wow, does that mean we are ramping up domestic production for these? No? Oh...

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[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 66 points 4 months ago

The rest of the world will get cheaper solar panels and EVs, that's quite nice.

[-] khorak@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 months ago

Cheap panels are tanking European competitors, but it's probably too late to intervene at this point. Can't compete with work camps and cheap slave labor.

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Correct... using work camps and cheap slave labour was only acceptable when US companies shipped production to China and pocketed the profits... now that China is doing it directly, it's certainly a problem we all care about

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[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 months ago

You want Amerikkka to lead maybe subsidize EVs as well?

Why can't we all win? (Ide rather bus/rail and walkable cities)

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also medical supplies, including masks, because COVID is Joever.

Edit to add: There is necessarily a lag between tariff imposition and indigenous production, and we’re left to fill that gap with our own wallets individually. Worse, the prices will almost definitely never come back down as they might in theory, because this is late-stage capitalism.

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago

America can't compete with China and American corps cried for daddy.

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[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

Swiggity swooty the oil lobby is coming for your booty

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[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

What a bell-end. Maybe instead of tariffs the US should begin vesting in education, job training, and research into these sectors so it can compete instead of trying to hobble the competition in the domestic market. This is just protectionism by a different name

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[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

We should just be buying solar panels as cheap as we can, as fast we can who gives a fuck if they "dominate" the net positive is worth it

[-] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago

This is the trumpiest shit ever.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago

For every voter who wants a habitable planet, a cheap electric car, or to catch covid less we lose, we're gonna pick up two moderate republicans!

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

A) Moderate

B) republican

Pick one

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago

That's the joke.

There's a total of about 10 never-trump-republicans, and all of them have jobs at NYT, CNN, or MSNBC telling their audience that all the bad things Biden does are electorally smart because there's a bunch of moderate republican swing voters who will choose diet-fascism over the real thing.

This is the same tack they took in 2016, from Chuck Schumer going "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin" to every pundit saying "suberban women are going to decide this election" and using that to explain why generally unpopular policies are electorally smart.

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[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago

Repeatedly stomping on my collection of rakes to own the commies

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 33 points 4 months ago

Steel I get. That's an environmental issue since US creation is way more carbon friendly. However the rest makes no sense without an announcement in domestic investment that is pulled from currently used non-environmental budgets.

[-] You999@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They already put 6.1 billion into domestic silicon fabs this year and gave out a $362 million dollars loan to bolster domestic EV production while giving the solar industry 7 billion in grants.

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 31 points 4 months ago

This dude really does not want to get reelected again. I hate that he's the only choice. What a piece of shit.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

hell yea FUCK the environment lmao

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If hes going to do that he should light a fire under the domestics asses to get our own evs up to snuff. And market competitive. None of that whining how it cannot be done either

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[-] StaySquared@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

It's ok.. the consumer will ultimately pay that tariff.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Man what a fucking idiot.

Trump can't campaign so Biden's doing his job for him.

[-] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Can someone explain to me how tariffs help us? Couldn’t I buy a Chinese EV cheaper if there were no tariffs.?

[-] LeLachs@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

Correct. If there were no tariffs, you could buy a chinese EV for cheap. In this case for so cheap that the domestic US/Non-Chinese market cannot compete. So in order to protect these markets, the product needs to be made artificially more expensive with tariffs. This way, the domestic markets have a chance of competing.

However, this also isolates the country and provokes retaliation from the other side. This usually results in both sides sabotaging their trade relations with each other (for ex. with tariffs) which is called a trade war.

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 15 points 4 months ago

It doesn't help you.

It helps Elon.

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