I still stand with Signal App.
Even their server codes are publicly available
Last I checked, their provided server code lags behind their production server, so you rarely get to see the current version. However, that's kinda the point of E2EE, is you don't have to trust the server.
I can't believe people are saying Telegram and Threema might be better than Signal. Signal isn't perfect but Telegram and Threema are worse.
Because we keep saying Signal, Telegram, Threema instead of Anti-Libre Software, Service as a Software Substitute and Centralised.
It really depends on your use case. Most of my simple chat messages are the same as I would have in any public space. I have no need for encryption, I have need for convenience in that regard. With Telegram I have my chat history on all devices and don't need to use my phone to connect which are two must-haves for me. For my use case, Signal is the worse option. That doesn't make Signal bad, just not suitable for me.
As a privacy-concious person I am very much aware of the non-secure nature of my chats, but since that is not a factor of consideration to me when it comes to casual chats with a few friends and family members. The worst thing Telegram could do is analyse my chats and ... then what?
Signal is not applicable when you need a public space for people to just have a discussion, like in discord. Signal clients are clunky and rely on cross sync from what I see, while telegram clients are well made and convenient to use. Even Whatsapp went away from electron so I'd choose it over signal any day.
Have you tried Signal recently? On Android it's very well polished.
In fact I believe it's a shame that not more people use such a beautiful app, regardless of privacy and security implications.
Signal clients are clunky
Obviously you have never used Element for matrix. Signal is like a Ferrari in comparison.
Signal is much worse than Telegram (in terms of privacy)
Man, everyone is hopping on the Trash Signal Bandwagon, even though TG is less secure, and nobody (the 99%) uses Threema.
It's called disinformation and psychological warfare. How else attack E2EE, libre software?
I'm wondering if something interesting will fall off the truck this time :D
Context: before that blogpost, cellebrite claimed they can "hack" signal (or they were kinda closer to the truth, and that was media talking abt hacks without reading stuff)
Let's be honest, Signal is not perfect either:
This matters because “money talks”, as the saying goes. If the company or person behind the money is likely to have reason not to protect customers’ privacy, it’s important to know. This could be indicative of the company not doing as they say (Google, Whatsapp, for example) or changing their mind once they’ve onboarded enough customers from whom they can make money.
~~(I'm gonna find sources for the last two statements a bit later to not be unsubstantiated)~~
Done.
Although, we all can agree, that Signal is still better than Telegram, or WhatsApp, or Threema, or whatever.
Still, we probably want to look at the better alternatives, like Simplex or Session.
Session is also sus because you effectively cannot host a node, last I have seen. They claim it is "against a Sybil attack" but all it does is making sure only people wih large disposable funds can have nodes, and the effect might be the exact opposite.
Simplex is more interesting in this regard because while I am concerned with initial centralization (the default servers), they made hosting your own easy. But I personally stick with imperfect yet trusty XMPP.
It has had some suspicious funding sources
Wait until you find out where computers, the Internet, GPS, weather satellites and Tor came from.
Telegram requires a phone number too? I mean yeah there's the option to use that blockchain phone number service, but you can do the same for Signal. 🤷
Yes, it does. And yes, it is equally bad in both cases.
suspicious funding
Which lines of its libre software source code are malicious?
requires your phone number
It's centralised
Which lines of its libre software source code are malicious?
It's not about code, but about funding.
It's centralised
Yes, and it's the downside, no matter how you look at it.
So, which malicious lines of libre software source code have been funded? This is how we stop FUD. Don't let them derail us.
- It requires your phone number
Not anymore, right? Or does it still need your number for signing up?
Just to sign up
Signal no longer requires a phone number. You can now create an account. Not sure if that helps your outlook on it, but yeah. It was a fairly recent update that this was rolled out.
Edit: being told we still do need numbers to register. I haven't gotten a new phone since well before the change was made, so I haven't actually created an account and gone through the process. It looks like I misinterpreted what was going on when I read the changelog.
That's not true. A phone number is still required to register, you can just set it not to be public.
Source: I just tried to register and it asked for my phone number.
Last I have seen, it still requires a number to register - it just doesn't have to be public.
What gets me the most is the requirement of a smartphone to register. No way I am trusting my non-public chats to a phone, so that means either Waydroid/VM (which creates issues with copypasting) or signal-cli (which is fairly inconvenient).
~~Needs phone number~~ Centralised
~~Suspicious funding~~ Which lines of its libre software source code are malicious?
Signal is currently the best middleground between security, simplicity and widespread adoption.
how has no one discussed matrix here
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That must mean it's working! :D
I don't get it at all. There are plenty of platforms like matrix, xmpp, simplex that don't require phone numbers tied to your identity. Signal has somehow managed to convince people that it's a private platform, despite it being a US hosted service that requires phone numbers.
It's a Google hosted service, which is arguably worse because they may as well be a nation-state unto themselves.
Wasn't Amazon involved here as well? It is another "nation-state".
I do not think so, no. However, Amazon is certainly big enough to be un-humorously compared to nation-states as well.
I remembered it as being AWS. Checked their blog, and the article about their spending mentions renting space in AWS and Azure too, indeed.
Nicely written article and a good read! However I had not heard of Threema before. It looks like a promising messaging app itself, anyone use it?
It's relatively popular in DACH countries.
I use it sometimes. It has its fair share of issues, and the back end is not open-source, but it is OK for the most part. Main benefit is that you don't need a mobile number to sign up.
But if you are looking for an alternative IM to use with friends and family, I would rather suggest XMPP, specifically Snikket.
I am using it to communicate with 3 people (our common ground as I don't have an iPhone and don't use Whatsapp).
A few years ago it felt a bit ruff and awkward to use, but many updates later it is as fluent as any chat app.
The security feels ok. Of course it would be a lot better, if they would open source their code.
both suck when it comes to real hardcore privacy! Signal is surely a bit more private/secure/whatever, unless maybe you count in the US jurisdiction.
if you want hardcore privacy and security, use SimpleX. it's cutting edge.
Also Tox, Briar, Session etc.
I use Signal as my main daily messenger the two major problems in my opinion are:
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
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