for bringing themselves in a situation where this was very likely

The kinds of scenario you are hinting at is very rare.

What you're saying, in effect, is that women should not go out and get drunk. Which is ridiculous. I've probably been out and got drunk over 5,000 times. My lifetime risk of getting raped is around 1 in 4. And you're telling me that the only way I can reasonably expect not to get blamed for my own rape is spend those many thousands of nights at home alone instead?

Or are youu saying that I should be getting walked home thousands and thousands of times by a man who is 10x more likely to rape me than the stranger you're imagining /able to distance yourself from.

Or are you saying that unless we're all teetotal virgins, you're going to sit on the fucking fence.

You know who is loving your work? The rapists who are hearing you tell them they're normal. Because the only people who think that all men are rapists are rapists.

STFU

The insurance company thing is a bad example, because it’s an example of a for profit company maximizing their profits at the expense of the consumer rather than any kind of moral or ethical statement.

I, for one, do not think leaving your keys in the car excuses car theft.

Just because your back is turned does not mandate me to shoot you, and turning your back on me does not mean that you are complicit in being shot. The exploiting party always, always, needs to have the entirety of blame placed on them.

Risk mitigation is wise and situational awareness is good, but a lack of either of these does not excuse exploitation.

There is something to be said for minimizing the risk of a crime being committed against you, but at absolutely no point should you blame the victim of a crime. I may have left my keys in the car, but the guy who stole it is the guy who stole it. Sure, if I'd remembered my keys, he probably wouldn't have stolen it, but only one of us is to blame for a crime taking place, and it isn't the one that didn't commit a crime.

It's always the super slutty, naive woman or the super innocent, risk-free woman. Nothing in between.

Wut

And I personally think it's hypocritical to completely separate rape from any other crime. You can't argue, that in any other crime there's a certain responsibility put on the victim (your insurance won't pay, if you leave the car keys in), but rape, and only rape, dissolves the victim from any sort of responsibility for bringing themselves in a situation where this was very likely.

"well I know your husband was murdered but he's the one who decided to be a bank teller during an armed robbery"

You realize how much of an idiot you are, right? Don't rape people. It isn't hard and it isn't the victim's fault. At all. A woman should be able to walk down the street naked at 2 am and not have to worry about your disgusting ass touching her.

The vast majority of sexual assault victims know their attacker. What you are saying is that knowing a man is, for a women, inherently high risk and any time we are alone with a man we are putting ourselves in danger and therefore at fault. Are you saying that all men are rapists and we need segregation?

Such line of thinking has the potential to shift the public opinion and then final judgement in favor of the rapist, believe me it does. I have seen it happen countless times in Turkey. So I would strongly suggest staying as far away as possible from that which can really normalize (even if slightly so) rape in certain kinds of scenarios. And you dont wanna live in that shit hole.

And for the victim who has gone through a traumatic experience, it is like kicking her while she is on the ground. She is probably already going through a lot of regrets and you are there shouting "YEA YOU BETTER FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID"

I mean, I think you would also agree that no matter what the location is or how the victim dresses, the amount of punishment should be very heavy so as to be a deterrent. So what is even the point of bringing someone's life choices to a matter of legal debate. Leave it to that person to evaluate it is not your job or ours

You're looking at the problem in a "spherical rape victim in a vacuum" sort of way. There is a whole bunch of context that doesn't fit into your hypothetical.

Sexual victimization is not just another crime. Most sexual assaults are carried out by partners, spouses, and relatives. So the victim has a complicated mix of shame and conflict of interest. Not to mention that a raped women is often viewed as "damaged goods", and a raped man as a sissy, so social status is at risk too.

Society re-victimizes sexual assault survivors and attitudes of victim shaming contribute to this. What victim shaming doesn't do is prevent people from being sexually assaulted. We know this because if victim shaming could reduce sexual assault, rape would be rare.

For the love of God please just go back to reddit.

I don't even need to read to know I've met people just like you, and am very much better without them

Men also get raped, which seems like yet more evidence that the problem just might be rapists; rather than, somehow, women not protecting themselves.

Right????

I've certainly never raped anyone on social media.