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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 16 points 7 months ago

How that preclude these models from being creative?

They lack intentionality, simple as that.

Either way, generative tools are a great way for the people using to create with, no model has to be creative on its own.

Yup, my original point still stands.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago

How is intentionality integral to creativity?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 16 points 7 months ago

Are you serious?

Intentionality is integral to communication. Creative art is a subset of communication.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago

I was asking about creativity, not art. It's possible for something to be creative and not be art.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 13 points 7 months ago

I still posit that ceativity requires intentionality.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago

I don't think all creativity requires intentionality. Some forms of creativity are the accumulation of unintentional outcomes, like when someone sets out to copy a thing, but due to mistakes or other factors outside their control end up with something unique to what they were going for.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago

The intentionality steps in when it is decided to keep or discard the outcome.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

How can it be creative to destroy outcomes? Destruction is the opposite of creativity.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 7 points 7 months ago

The creative process necessarily involves abandoning bad ideas and refining to something more intentional

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 months ago

Exactly. That is literally the only difference between "creative" and "non-creative" people.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

But you can still be creative if you keep every outcome, it would be very hard to prove creativity if you discard everything. The one could argue you're creative the moment you select something.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago

What point are you trying to make, again?

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