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Trump drops 6 points in post-debate GOP poll
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Trump went from majority support to majority support. He will win the nomination because conservatives, Republicans in particular are terrible, awful people. None of this is really even new, they've been terrible for decades and decades.
Its astounding how gullible a majority of them actually are.
We need to find some way to meet their needs that isn't politics, because the needs they are meeting have nothing to do with governance.
There is nothing you can do that they won't turn into politics. They turned the existence of groups of people into politics. That's right by simply existing its politics. And there is no way you can avoid it.
Except that's not politics. Not in any meaningful, constructive sense. It's partisan but it's not political, and I think there's a pretty big difference.
But that's the problem you and I may think that way but a lot of people don't. It has allowed them to make a myriad of non-political subjects political.
Uhh, an MMO where they can run around shooting at minorities and yelling racial epithets into their mics?
They're scared. They are powerless to affect an uncertain future. They'll get worse the longer they have to live like this. I guess we have to fix the world?
They need to stop actively working against that then.
Yeah, and a drowning man needs to stop thrashing and pulling down his rescuers, but he's fucking drowning.
They are easily scared you mean? For people who are so easily scared of everything, they sure seem to embrace guns and COVID like it's their new Jesus.
Your false bravado isn't fooling anyone. If you're not scared, you should be. If you feel in control of your future 20 years from now, you're lying to yourself.
They've been so annoying since burning crosses fell out of style.
Bullets? That will definitely work
Rhetoric like that is absolutely going to make them more willing to work with you, you should keep it up.
I don't want them to work with me, I want them to fuck off
They're not going to, though. Believing they will makes you naive or stupid. What happens then?
You know, last century not a single decent person would say "we should work with the fascists"... and yet here we are...
Fine. Take it that way, I'm getting past caring honestly.
You can think about this shit a little more deeply than that or you can interpret what I said that way. I'm sick of trying to talk sense into you assholes, it's not worth it.
The time for a conversation has passed a long time ago. Nobody is convincing anybody of anything.
I have to believe that's not the case. The moment the time for conversation ends is the moment violence happens. That's not an opinion or a threat, that's how humanity operates. And if y'all wanna do that then fine, you do that, but I don't want to be involved.
But since when you twats decide to light my country on fire I'm going to have to try to keep living in it, I'm gonna keep trying to talk to people that'll listen. At least I'm fucking doing something to fix the shit, what are you doing?
I am actually doing a lot. I run a professional support community that provides tons of free support to anybody willing. We just raised enough funds for 40 scholarships and are making plans for professional grants next year. I don't have kids, I don't eat mammals, I grow my own food, and support local agriculture, I drive as little as humanly possible, and more.
But trying to convince people that Trump is bad news? It's too late. There is no changing anyone's mind at this point.
Congrats, now you know how we feel and why we dont give a shit about working with fascists, fascist apologists or wannabe fascists.
Lol, I'm certainly not getting sucked into a concern trolling argument about compromising with fascists
Literally nothing works on them so why bother? They never change.
Because they're not going away, to be honest. I'm a conservative but I'm not one of them (call me a libertarian if it makes it easier to classify). I'm pro choice, and pro gay marriage, and pro drug legalization, but I think the tenth amendment matters more than you do and I'm pro gun. That makes me a conservative, fine. But we agree on a fuck load of things, and I'm not the only one like me. There's lots of people who think like I do. And they're enough people they're a margin of victory. If you're ok with them voting for Donald Trump then, by all means, keep it up. But if you want to be a fucking adult about this shit and understand that different people value different things there's a lot of dialogue to be had, and that language (on both sides) is how we got as fucked up as we have.
Just gonna leave this here
You're right, more people should be armed so they don't even need the states to have rights.
Funny thing is, liberals are getting armed. I am a die hard liberal, and we have several guns in the house.
We are not all going to get shot like that lady with the rainbow flag in her shop... I mean, we'll probably get shot anyway, but at least we could fight back. And who knows, maybe just seeing that we are armed will dissuade the POSs that want to try.
I love that, honestly. I have lots of liberal friends, and I encourage firearm ownership among them.
What are the benefits of owning a fireman? Does it impact your home insurance rates or likelihood of total loss in case of a fire?
No and no. I own the firearm because I like to shoot and I want to have a firearm. I don't need a better reason to have it, in my opinion.
God, shut the fuck up @elscallr. Go somewhere else. Seriously. You’re not wanted, you’re a fascist supporting piece of dirt.
There's dozens of us! lol
10th amendment, states rights, sure sure. Let me guess what right…
How close did I guess?
They're Libertarian, so it's probably more about lowering the age of consent...
Say what you want, you aren't going to get under my skin with nonsense. But I'm right, and I'm smarter than you are, especially about this, and you guys better get your shit together before you really cost the country.
I then enlighten us, libertarians generally want unrealistic deregulation in areas that result in poorer educational, health, and economic outcomes for groups of people that aren’t themselves.
Cutting taxes while giving roads, power lines, municipal waste and water systems, schools and whatever else to a public private partnership or free market that can do “better” doesn’t work. It’s unrealistic and the reason libertarians are a joke.
If you’re really a liberal who likes guns and disagrees with the left on a few other issues, get in line and welcome to the left. Where disorganized leaderless handwringing at least doesn’t lead to (as many) dead lgbt teens and (such exacerbated) globe ending pollution.
Libertarian is just another kind of republican asshole with a different name. Stfu.
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I'm fine with people being conservative. I'm not okay with people who are still supporting Trump and all the lies of the MAGA crowd.
You and me both.
Go far enough left and keep your guns.
Yeah because we totally want to work with the people actively trying to drive trans kids to suicide, that want 12 year old rape victims to be forced to give birth, that are trying to rewrite history to say slavery wasnt a bad thing that are okay with a president trying to subvert democratic elections, that are calling for a second civil war, that are okay with kids getting shot so long as theres not even the mildest restriction on their guns, that think climate change is a hoax and they should be able to run over protestors, that want ukraine to surrender to Russia and the US should leave NATO, that think public healthcare is communism/slavery, that homeless people just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and billionaires shouldnt be taxed because taxes are theft, that are all for gerrymandering, removing political opponents from office, making it harder for minorities to vote, storming state capitols, calling in bomb threats just to get their guy into office, because he is trying to hurt the people they think deserve to be hurt.
And we're the bad guys for not caving into their every demand in order to try and "work with them" as they kick and scream and cry the entire time, just to secure the vote of some tosser that believes in half that shit and would switch back to republican the second the dems do something too "woke" for them anyway. Sure, that sounds very productive.
Lol yeah They haven't been seriously trying to work with anyone since before Newt Gingrich.