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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay, now, let's pull back and frame everything you just said in the context of what I asked earlier:

If they CAN go anywhere else, why are they being held in Panama? Those people were here, they're our problem, we're the ones detaining them under our laws, so it's our responsibility to treat them humanely. It's decidedly not Panama's problem, and I somehow doubt Panama is doing this without some arm twisting on our part. So, even if Panama decides "ah, well, fuck it, just kill em I guess", that's still on us.

[-] hakase@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So, even Panama decides “ah, well, fuck it, just kill em I guess”, that’s still on us.

I do agree with this. We do have some culpability in the way they are treated until they reach their home countries.

I think I'm still missing your point about "if they CAN go anywhere else, why are they being held in Panama?" though. I think it's a show of force on Trump's part, exercising his leverage over Panama from the threat of stealing the canal. I don't think Trump cares about what happens to the migrants once they're in Panama, so I don't really see a reason for Panama to purposefully mistreat them, when they don't seem to have the incentives to do so that the US does.

If I'm still missing something (other than your healthy inherent distrust of governments, including Panama's), definitely do let me know.

this post was submitted on 20 Feb 2025
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