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Teens are constantly sleepy because that’s how teens work. School start times especially make it impossible to for them to get proper sleep. I’d say it’s ridiculous that someone who has authority over teens doesn’t understand the fucking basics of teens but it’s the Us criminal justice system where authority is made up and the credentials don’t matter.
What time does school start where you are?
Teenagers need 8-10 hours of sleep and don’t get tired until later in the evening, so waking up in time for a 7-8 am start time can compromise their sleep
Explains why my elementary school started at 8 but high school started at 9.
I always figured it was just because parents didn’t want to have to fight with us at that age
Wow, 9? That must have been nice. I had to get up at 6:30 every day. It was awful and I was always tired until college where I could schedule when classes started.
Rolled out of bed at 8:50 and walked half a block to school
For us it was 7:20 high school, 8:20 elementary, 9:20 middle school. Reason was using the same busses and high schoolers were more likely to need time after school for work or sports/band/after school groups.
In practice it meant that I could pull 40 hour work weeks starting at 16, then by 18 be working some nights till 1-3am and getting up for school in the morning. Stupid decisions were made.
They made laws to further limit the hours kids could work after to try to make healthier opportunities for kids. Unfortunately a certain governor is trying to carve those laws up now. (Desantis)
I would argue that school starting time has nothing to do with the kids needs, and more like that the parents can be in time for work.
That’s the reason against starting late. Parents want older siblings to be available to babysit after school and employers want a 16 year old’s shift to start at 14:30, not 16:30. Extracurricular activities (which should be supported, as long as the children themselves want to do them and as long as they’re not actively harmful to children) can often run 90-150 minutes with changing time and warmups, which makes a later start time logistically difficult for families with children of various ages who want to eat dinner together.
It’s a complicated issue and a solution which involves shorter school hours seems to me to be the best one, but that’s obviously even harder to implement without cutting things that are important, so I don’t know how to actually solve this problem.
I live in Germany now, which has tracking. This seems both hella classist and better for ensuring kids can get sufficient sleep. I would love to know if any country/school system has figured out how to do it in a way that doesn’t deprive some kids of future opportunities.
Probably could swing the shorter hours by reducing summer vacation.
Take classes to double blocks with an alternating cycle in case classes get too short.
This would anger sports coaches that want to use summer for ~~torturing their kids~~ training camp, and farmers that like the cheaper-than-illegal-immigrants that need summer jobs.
You’re right. I feel like that takes a fundamental part of my childhood away from other kids, but with the child labor laws in some states, that was no longer safe anyway.
And limiting the number of busses on the road at the same time for those other parents stuck in rush hour traffic.
I don't understand why school has to be a full day either. I'm sure teachers could use an extra hour every morning to do their prep, planning, and grading.
Thanks for citing for me. This is exactly what I was referring to!