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[-] Nova@citizensgaming.com 3 points 1 year ago

That will never happen. We created capitalism and globalism. The genie is out of the box and it's not going back in... not until the planet is destoryed. Just try to enjoy what we have while it lasts.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Globalism is unraveling as we speak, and capitalism will die with it. No system lasts forever.

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Lol, imagine being this unhinged from reality. If your baseless dreams do come to pass and the system does fall apart, it will mean billions dead from famine, disease, and war. Your vision is death and destruction, not salvation.

[-] m532@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's what the rich want you to think

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The least ignorant American has logged on.

[-] fedfedfedd@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

So he is correct? You like death and destruction?

Are you a psychopath?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I didn't say I like capitalism.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I can't wait for the entire world to collapse like the soviet union did.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Oh wow, such an intelligent comment, because clearly no capitalist country has collapsed ever. 😂

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never made that assertion but okay yes, there have been capitalist countries that have collapsed.. Also, can you name a communist country that hasn't collapsed?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Laos, China, Vietnam, and Cuba come to mind. It's kind of incredible that anyone would ask such an absurd question seriously.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Except... None of those are communist countries. They're all mixed economy countries with varying degrees of private and public corporate infrastructure. And China of all countries lmao. Theyre the most capitalist of that bunch. They only thing they kept from communism was the rampant authoratarianism. Its kind of increble that anyone would make such an absurd statement seriously.

Maybe you should actually learn what communism is before advocating for it.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's pretty hilarious that you're telling me to learn what communism is while evidently having the most superficial understanding possible. All these countries are led by communist parties, and the working class is the class that's in charge in these countries.

You are correct that these countries are in the socialist phase of development where many of the vestigial relations from capitalist society are still present. However, anybody who actually understands communist theory knows that this is a necessary stage. You can't just take a capitalist society and turn it communist overnight. Especially not in a world that's dominated by global capitalism.

Might want to read some Marx to educate yourself on the subject.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Communism and globalism are aligned. Capitalism has to go tho

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'd call it internationalism instead of globalism. Globalism has connotations with capitalism and colonialism and not a term I'd want to associate with communism at this point.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just yesterday you commented the vomit emoji when someone posted the Taiwanese flag because you think they should be under the control of China rather than governing themselves. Sure sounds like you're pro colonialism to me.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Sure sounds like you don't understand what colonialism is to me.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

I understand it quite well which is why I can identify when people like you are promoting it. If you had a rebuttal or explanation you would have stated it rather than resorting to a logical fallacy in your reply.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

You keep saying that you do, but clearly you don't. Alternatively, you don't understand the history of the province, and the civil war in China. In either case, what you're saying is deeply ignorant.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Another comment with zero substance.

You claiming that forcibly taking over control of another's land isn't "colonialism" is like saying "enhanced interrogation" isn't torture.

Funny how you can keep replying about what others "don't understand," but you can't put together an actual defense of your position. It's almost as if you know I'm 100% accurate, so you'd rather spin the discussion away from your indefensible position with insults and fallacies.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Taiwan is literally part of China as recognized by UN. The actual colonialism happening in Taiwan is what US has been doing there since WW2. I can't decide whether you're just woefully ignorant or just a liar.

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Is this the same UN that recognized Palestinian territory as Israeli?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Imagine trying to paint parallels between Taiwan and Palestine. 🤦

[-] fedfedfedd@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The actual colonialism happening in Taiwan is what US has been doing there since WW2.

So the US is still colonizing Taiwan? How did they even "colonize" Taiwan?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Go read up on some history and learn a bit about history of what US has been doing in Taiwan instead of making a 🤡 of yourself in public.

[-] fedfedfedd@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

The fact that you can't even figure out how to google basic publicly available information explains quite a bit about your comment history.

[-] fedfedfedd@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I know you cant back up your claims. You are just here to stir up drama.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I see you've made a self referential comment.

[-] fedfedfedd@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It's pretty common troll tactic to claim to want information on something that's well documented. What specifically do you want a source regarding, how US poured millions into Taiwanese media via orgs like NED, or how US grooms DPP politicians, or how US based orgs help write school curriculum?

[-] APassenger@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

In the African high speed rail thread, you required citations of others who had opinions you didn't like.

You're doing it here, too. But you won't put in the effort you expect of others.

And you decry hypocrisy.

You are becoming a known agitator and troll. That's never good for a cause you care about. Good work.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

In the African high speed rail thread, I pointed out that the conjecture that the rail wouldn't be cost effective was made up. Nothing in the article I submitted suggested that would be the case. So, if the person was claiming that, I was asking on what basis they were claiming it.

What I'm stating about US interference in Taiwan i on the other hand a well documented fact.

Once again, the only agitator and a troll here is the one who's following me around and making personal attacks trying to smear me while adding nothing at all to the discussion. Do better.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

You're changing the topic. You demanded citations for an assertion. Felt it was fair to do so. You clearly continue to do so.

When others ask you, you tell them to Google it. Even just a little more effort would be helpful - a good site for reference, author, something...

In the other thread I see your links. Thank you. Substance is good. I'll take a look and see what's up.

That so many people "follow you around" is you misreading that you're pissing off (potential) allies. They're in those communities for a reason.

Be better. No one is "stalking me." And it's not because I hold a lot of popular opinions (some are, some aren't). Why are you being "stalked" for real? It's not the opinion - it is the presentation.

If you were confident and mature, you wouldn't be glib and dismissive, you'd present clearly, with some empathy and rapport building, and you'd find some space for discussion.

Others are also bringing up your complete lack of maturity in the Taiwan thread. Glib is how you galvanize people into an opposing position. Stop being glib.

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[-] APassenger@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope. Stop there.

You keep telling other people to do the research and make an argument to you. But you will not do it yourself.

It's a troll move and you have to stop. All you are doing is alienating people. I've begun to wonder if that's what you're here to do.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I provide sources for what I say all the time when I say something that's not necessarily obvious. In this particular case, I'm stating a well documented fact that anybody can google. The troll move here is to claim that I said something controversial, demand evidence, and then to make personal smear attacks against me. Which is what you and your buddy are doing.

That said, here are some materials that you will never bother reading, but might help other people reading the thread understand who the actual troll here is.

US Political Capture of Taiwan

Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT

US interference in Taiwan politics and media is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen, and that's literally what colonialism and cultural hegemony are.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

These links (clicked and read) are not all that salacious.

Where there are like-minded people, we like to help. If we can get more like-minded people, that's better.

If it was for free market capitalism, I'd have an issue with our contribution. A lot of this is about the spread of democracy. I don't take issue with that.

Self-determination (including the rejection of democracy) seems fundamental to me. Overall, however, I think socialist democracies make the most sense. Beneficent dictatorships seem like a they're one step away from not being beneficial. Slippery slope thing.

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[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll use either or. I'll also use communism as a positive term even though it's been tainted by reactionaries claiming it to themselves

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How does the unprecedented sanctions regime on Russia play into your "globalization is unstoppable" hypothesis? It sure looks like the global economy is actually bifurcating into "the US and friends" and "everyone else".

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