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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by the16bitgamer@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Windows has been a thorn in my side for years. But ever since I started moved to Linux on my Laptop and swapping my professional software to a cross platform alternative, I've been dreaming on removing it from my SSD.

And as soon as I finish my last few projects, I can transition. (I want to do it now).

Trouble is which I danced my way across multiple amazing distros, I can't decide which one to land on since the one software I want to test, Davinci Resolve doesn't work on my Intel Powered Laptop. (curse you intel implementation of OpenCL).

So the opinions of those of you who've used Davinci Resolve, Unity/Godot, and/or FreeCAD. I want it to be stable with minimal down time on hardware with a AMD Ryzen 5 1600x and a RTX 3050. Here's the OS's I am looking at.

CentOS (alt Fedora)

  • Pro: Recommended by Davinci Resolve for the OS, has good package manager GUI that separates Applications and System Software (DNF Dragon), Good support for multiple Desktop Environments I like. Game Support is excellent and about a few months behind arch.
  • Con: When I last installed Fedora my OS Drives BTFS file system died a horrific and brutal death, losing all of my data. Can't have that. And I personally do not like DNF and how slow it makes updating and browsing packages.

Debain (alt Linux Mint DE)

  • Pro: The most stable OS I've used, with a wide range of software support both officially in the distros package manager, or from developers own website. I am most familiar with this OS and APT

  • Cons: Ancient packages which may cause issues with Davinci Resolve and Video Games. An over reliance on the terminal to fix simple problems (though this can be said for most linux distros). I personally don't like APT and how it manages the software.

EndevourOS (alt Manjaro)

  • Pro: The most up to date OS, great for games with the AUR giving support for a lot of software which isn't available on other distros.

  • Cons: Manjaro has died on me once, and is a hassle to setup right and keep up. EndevourOS has no Package Manager GUI, and is over reliant on the Terminal. Can't use pacman in a terminal the commands are confusing.

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed

  • Pro: Like Fedora but doesn't use DNF, good game support

  • Cons: Software isn't as well supported.

Edit: from the sounds of thing, and the advice from everyone. I think what I’ll do is an install order while testing distros (either in distro box or on a spare ssd) in the following order.

Debain/Mint DE -> OpenSUSE -> EndevourOS -> CentOS

This list is mostly due to stability and support for nvidia drivers.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 52 points 7 months ago

Mint is the typical way to get a more up-to-date Debian and if you have something against Ubuntu. This community is pretty anti-Canonical so they'll never recommend Ubuntu...

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 18 points 7 months ago

I've been scared by Ubuntu. Back in the day (10-20 years ago) it worked well its kind of fallen down. I blame snaps.

[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Oh I don’t like Ubuntu, but unlike this community it's more an in general distaste for the OS than anything specific.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

Mint might do ya then if you want to remain in the .deb system. I ran it for a while and was happy with it. I'm on popos now but it's based on Ubuntu lts only so it's not quite as up to date at times.

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[-] neo@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

I used Ubuntu happily for many years and found nothing that suited me better.

However, with them pushing more and more updates in my face that I can only install if I register an account, I will try to switch to Endeavour on my main system soon.

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[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Manjaro should not even be considered in the modern distro landscape, the story of manjaro is just a series of incompetent mistakes.

[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

While I have my own personal gripes with it, it’s has one of the most robust GUI configurations I’ve seen in any Linux distos. As someone who doesn’t want downtime having a gui for things like Kernel config and systemd, Manjaro has its perks.

Doesn’t outweigh breaking my build for touching AUR, but ther is a reason I consider it.

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sorry, but, no. Pretty much any distro can do all of that perfectly well, the fedoras of the world, the mints of the world, but they don't break constantly.

I have given manjaro to 3 people and used it myself for many years, i got sick of it because the team is incredibly incompetent and just breaks things all the time, i've switched to arch and all of these problems have gone away.

let me give you an example of a design flaw that has caused strife for every single person I have given manjaro, how the kernel is handled.

Manjaro does not let you sudo pacman -S linux, instead, you get linux with the version number as the package, this means for the standard user, your kernel will become outdated, unless you think to go out of your way to update it. This has broken every system of every normal person I have given manjaro at some point, and then i've had to go through GREAT lengths to resolve the issue for them, all of which I had to do from a terminal. Updating the kernel should be the default of any sane distro, and I have never encountered another distro that made this such a hassle by default.

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

You can read this for other examples of how incompetent the team is, i'm sorry but there's just no usecase for manjaro, if you want a GUI, you should simply use something other than arch, like fedora. I see no advantages to manjaro over arch personally, but if you desperately need a GUI, just use something else instead of trying desperately to hack arch into something that it simply is not.

Manjaro takes the good things about arch, the KISS philosophy, throws that in the trash, adds nothing of value and breaks shit. Endeavoros is the same thing but better in every way, and arch even has an installer now.

Furthermore, if you're in need of a GUI, you're probably going to hate when manjaro finally does break and you're dropped in a terminal with no experience whatsoever, which will inevitably happen.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Updating the kernel should be the default of any sane distro, and I have never encountered another distro that made this such a hassle by default.

That's because you're trying to do things the Arch way. Manjaro is not Arch.

You have to stick to the stable branch and to LTS kernels. Which are installed by default btw so you don't have to do anything special, just not go out of your way to ruin it.

LTS kernels are supported for many years and receive constant updates. Debian does a similar thing, it sticks with a certain LTS kernel versions. Manjaro does one better and offers all the LTS versions from 4.x to 6.x.

You can switch to a non LTS kernel on Manjaro but they become EOL periodically and you have to watch for that and switch manually. You can do that but yes, at that point you're better off using Arch.

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

why would they not just use linux-lts then? that's still insanity. and eventually the LTS versions get out of date and you have the exact same problem just later, there's no need for this, just install both linux-lts and linux like arch does and it'll get out of the way, and you can easily fall back to linux-lts if something goes wrong, it's a much simpler system, versioning the packages completely defeats the purpose of updating your system. It's so much simpler than what you're describing and this is the distro that's supposed to be easier to use?

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[-] CallOfTheWild@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

Don't pick a distro, pick a desktop environment. Look up KDE Plasma, gnome, cinnamon, xfce, etc. Then pick the largest most stable distro that uses that environment.

[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

I've given this advice in the past too. I'm probably sticking with Cinnamon, which is why Mint is in the options.

[-] midnight@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago

Yeah I would say you might as well just go with mint then. Debian based distros are popular for a reason.

EndeavourOS is really probably the best overall option though, as you have the best software availability, but if you're not comfortable using the terminal, I might avoid it. (Although I will say that package management with yay is super easy, just yay [packagename] to search and install interactively. Also to update your system just alias yay -Syu to "update" if you have trouble remembering the right flags. I'd really recommend learning to use the terminal regardless of distro, though.)

[-] CallOfTheWild@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Cinnamon is my favorite so I have mint at home. All the computers at my work have Ubuntu (gnome) and it's ok but I don't love it.

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[-] excitingburp@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Do not use Manjaro. It is a known trap. What you can do is install pamac, which is what Manjaro uses for GUI package management. It's been a hot minute since I've used Arch, so here's a tutorial:

https://itsfoss.com/install-pamac-arch-linux/

Alternatively you could look at Garuda, which is a solid Arch distro. You'll either love or hate the theme, but that's easy to change. It also comes with an interactive kernel by default (most distros use a regular kernel build, which works better for servers).

Whatever you do, please please please not Ubuntu. It's the lowest common denominator. Emphasis on "lowest". It was good in the past, but Canonical have really lost the plot.

[-] elfin8er@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by Manjaro being "a known trap"?

Edit: See my reply for some sources I found.

[-] joshcodes@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago

Not the above poster but Manjaro routinely pushes out broken packages, has had a number of issues with security (not renewing their tls certificates for their website) and is all around not stable. Arch is a predictable unstable, manjaro is an unpredictable unstable attempt at stable.

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[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago

I feel like I should throw in a good word for Fedora. I run a combination of dnf and flatpak, and have a grand time, and am doing an IT diploma program aimed very solidly at Windows under Fedora. I've used Ubuntu, Mint, and Manjaro, and landed on Fedora for my desktop experience.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

Don't use Fedora with Nvidia. Fedora also isn't suitable for any production machine.

[-] phanto@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

I'm no big gamer, but my gaming laptop is a Ryzen with RTX3060, and I dual boot it (Fedora and Windows 10.) I used the rpmfusion Nvidia drivers, no issue, and I get slightly better frame rates and a bit better 3D mark scores in Fedora than Windows. It's been that way since 37 or 36, I think. Palworld, Monster Hunter World and Rise, Genshin Impact (I know, I know), Borderlands, EDF 5, all work great, along with some retro stuff like City Of Heroes and EQ99. So, I guess I'd like to know why I shouldn't use Fedora with Nvidia? Also, when you say production machine, do you mean like a server? I'm a student.

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[-] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fedora's KDE spin from April forward makes this a nonissue. Plasma 6 makes Wayland and NVIDIA get along like on any other machine. Plus it's been splendid since Fedora 35 for me.

Edit: I only use Fedora for work, so not too sure what you mean. I make detailed graphical images which are blown up sizably and have had zero issue. Also never have had a problem sharing with Apple or Windows folks (jah help them).

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[-] zeluko@kbin.social 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean EndeavorOS can install the same gui package manager as Manjaro has, pamac.
Game support usually comes from using packages you need and those packages being up to date to support latest changes like fixes.

Am a long time EndeavourOs user, quite happy, it allows everything i need and pacman never broke on me.. cant say the same about apt, when using non-standard repositories (for some up to date packages)
And the AUR is awesome. Has many packages not found in the normal repositories, just some have to be compiled which can take a bit of time, but i dont have to fiddle with it.

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[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 13 points 7 months ago

I should point out that openSUSE also uses btrfs. I feel I should also point out that that neither it or Fedora has to be installed on btrfs.

I use Fedora Kinoite myself

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

You'll have the die-hard "XX is the best distros" and the "distros are irrelevant, choose a DE" answers here. The reality is that it will all boil down to your hardware, use case and willingness to tinker, in that same order.

For example, I love PopOS for laptops with Nvidia cards, only because I am used to the Cosmic version of Gnome PopOS has used all these years (looking forward to the proper Cosmic DE once its out), but for PC (regardless of GPU) I'd rather use Fedora KDE (customized to a Gnome feel) because I find it easy to customize to a very granular degree, and I feel Fedora has the best mix of cutting edge + stability.

As you can see, there's a whole lot of "I" in my comment. That's the beauty of Linux, whatever you end up sticking with, you get to make it as YOURS as you want it to be.

Arch derived distros require more carefully maintenance than most other base distros (RHEL and Debian), but are also great to actually learn Linux more deeply. RHEL derived distros, IMO, are a better balance between "it just works" and "I can make this happen", and Debian based are the easiest to maintain, mainly because it tends to be what the most popular distros out there are based on, which makes for a much larger community for when we hit a brick wall (when, not if).

Bottom line is that I believe you would be better off going the route you mentioned, and going through the pitfalls of each until you find that sweet spot.

And of course, once you're on that road, come and ask anything you want, most of us are always happy to help if we can.

[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Oh I knew I cast a wide net when I posted here. Wasn't looking for which distros were best, but rather common pitfalls in this communities zeitgeist, as well as the 1 or two users who actually use the software I am using and any issues that they came across.

For example Fedora was high on my list of potentials before it was pointed out that it has issues with Nvidia's drivers. As I am looking for minimal down time/setup it dropped on my list.

I also heard from someone who is using it on Arch which means I have a fallback if my distros of choice fails.

[-] Dumpdog@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It sounds like you and JJLinux are on the same page. Their advice about hardware, use case, and willingness to tinker is spot on. I might argue that the Davinci Resolve (Studio) use case make these considerations even more important.

I have been using Davinci Resolve on Linux since DR 15 and know the pain you are going through. Although it looks like you have your solution, I would just like to post what works for me and suggest resources just in case it might help. I know the less painful (to me) route of getting it working in a reasonably reliable fashion.

These are the distros that currently work for me for use in professional situations:

Laptop with Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU - Pop OS

Pros - Can install Pop OS version with working Nvidia drivers, Battery life is generally better (still not good when Nvidia GPU in use)

Cons - Updates may involve more work (there is probably a better way to update that I haven't tried) - I used the Daniel Tufvesson method of install originally on Ubuntu and later on Pop OS - https://www.danieltufvesson.com/makeresolvedeb. Not even sure if I'm doing updates in the easiest way. I have just been redoing the process. It might have changed lately.

The journey with the laptop was dual boot, Ubuntu, Pop. Would not recommend Ubuntu. The usual drivers, audio, and install issues (to be fair I think they are fixed?)

Desktop with Intel CPU and AMD GPU - Endeavour OS

Pros - Can install directly from Aur

Cons - AMD drivers work for everything but DR out of the box. Drivers take some fiddling with AMD but using Archwiki on DR makes it way easier - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DaVinci_Resolve. It may not apply to Endeavour but I had conflicts when I installed Blender along side Davinci in Garuda.

The journey with the desktop was Manjaro (nvidia), Garuda (nvidia and then AMD), to Endeavour. Generally won't recommend Manjaro - it worked OK for me but required fixing. Garuda worked (Zen Kernel) until Blender install + OS update (dependencies), was always looking at either Garuda (works well with Aur install of DR and games) or Endeavour. Endeavour OS works...it feels less bloated and open to tinkering. It does need a bit more tinkering, but Pamac and research on arch wiki will help a lot.

There are more pros and cons but these are the ones that helped me to make a choice.

Sorry for wall of text when you may already have the best solution. I have not tried any of those methods that others have suggested so maybe post how it goes! I definitely would be interested in your experience.

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[-] Shareni@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago

So the opinions of those of you who’ve used Davinci Resolve, Unity/Godot, and/or FreeCAD

Search for those packages in distro repos, and check if they're available through some alternative pm like flatpak. If you need them fresh, and there's no alternative, you can discard centos and debian. If there are, I'd suggest MX (debian).

An over reliance on the terminal to fix simple problems

The closer you're to the bleeding edge, the more you'll need to use the terminal to fix simple problems. For me, debian and mint never crashed or failed to boot, arch on the hand...

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[-] ulu_mulu@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Debain (alt Linux Mint DE) Pro: The most stable OS I’ve used, with a wide range of software support both officially in the distros package manager, or from developers own website. I am most familiar with this OS and APT Cons: Ancient packages which may cause issues with Davinci Resolve and Video Games

I don't use Davinci Resolve but I do play videogames, I build my own desktop for it and I use Linux MX (Debian), it's rock solid.

"Ancient packages" are not a problem with backports, there are also flatpacks if some backports are not enough for you, or DEB packages directly from software developers (I manually install a couple of those).

The only games you will have problems with are those implementing invasive DRM, but that's not a "Debian" problem, Linux in general doesn't support that kind of DRM (not yet at least), tho I personally don't mind since I think DRM is stupid and I've always tried to avoid it.

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[-] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

I would go with Fedora or Mint, both for their software support and stability. Personally I like Mint over Fedora, I think it has a larger selection of software packages but I could be wrong.

Btrfs is more stable nowadays, I wouldn't worry about that. And anyway you can choose XFS or Ext4 during installation while setting up your disk partitions.

If you are worried about a particular software package being too old, try installing FlatPaks instead, or use the Nix or Guix package managers which can co-exist easily with any other package manager.

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[-] halm@leminal.space 7 points 7 months ago

I had the same apprehensions as you against using a CLI package manager, but I have to say it's grown on me. I used Debian based OSes for 5-10 years and I swore by Synaptic.

After only a short while with Endeavour though, I found that I was perfectly happy to run sudo pacman -Ss to search for software — or yay for the AUR. It's been my daily driver for a couple of years now.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

I wouldn't recommend any of those. Since you have Nvidia go with Linux Mint or Pop os as they both have good support for Nvidia.

[-] krdo@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Another vote for Debian stable with backports and flatpaks. I don't really have an issue with outdated software, and I really like "apt", maybe because I'm so used to it as this point. I've been running mainly Debian for 12+ years now.

My second choice for personal use would be Arch Linux. I had very good experience with it back in the day and their wiki is fantastic. But I'm too comfortable with the simplicity and stability of Debian at this point.

At work I use Ubuntu because everyone else uses it. It's not too bad. I just ignore all the crap I don't like (like snaps).

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Manjaro has also died on me in the past, because they fuck with the packages, EndeavorOs is rock solid and you will thank yourself when you can install stuff like spotify, discord, teamspeak with a single yay command

[-] authed@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It doesn't matter that much, but I like Arch... it's a bit of a pain to install if you are new to Linux though. I find it more stable than Manjaro though.

Your decision probably should depend on if you like KDE or Gnome and if you want the latest software or something a bit more stable.

You could also try the live version first before you install it to make sure everything works as intended.

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[-] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

I was a happy Ubuntu user for more than a decade and I agree that it's a good beginners distro. I am now using Manjaro, which is also very good. In fact, Manjaro might even be more beginner friendly because it support Flatpak out of the box.

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I’m just gonna say, go with something Debian based. MX Linux is very solid.

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[-] tron@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago

EndevourOS (alt Manjaro) Cons: Manjaro has died on me once, and is a hassle to setup right and keep up. EndevourOS has no Package Manager GUI, and is over reliant on the Terminal. Can’t use pacman in a terminal the commands are confusing.

I hear this and I highly recommend Bauh. Its a GUI package manager that supports Arch, AUR, Flatpak and Snaps. Will even automatically generate snapshots in Timeshift before you update. Super easy to use. I can't recommend it enough, I use it on all my desktops.

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Pop_OS is a good choice for a gaming machine, it was perfect for like 4 years until I upgraded my 1080TI for a 7900XTX and the Mesa version was too old to run it at the time so I switched to Manjaro.

Personally I hate most Arch based distros with a burning passion. Like I have used arch wiki to install Arch at least 3 times after it had shit the bed during an update. Now if I need to open a terminal to install a distro I'm not installing it. I just wish the people maintaining Manjaro weren't so incompetent and also include common codecs (h264 and h265) in Mesa like every other distro.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago

If you need DaVinci Resolve, just know that when you switch to Linux, you will lose the ability to read and render mp4 files. You will need to buy the full version to be able to do this on Linux.

I use my desktop primarily for video editing, 3D modeling, and a bit of gaming, and it's been running Pop!_OS since December with absolutely zero issues. The only annoyance has been the mp4 file thing in DaVinci.

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[-] squid_slime@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

You sound like you'd be pretty capable, I personally use arch, less perceived limitations. Endeavour is the better choice between endeavour and manjaro.

MX if you just want a os with beautiful theming.

Either way good luck.

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[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Choice of distro isn't as important anymore as it used to be in the past. There's containerization and distro-independent packaging like Flatpak or AppImage. Also, most somewhat popular distors can be made to run anything, even things packaged for other distros. Sure, you can make things easier for yourself choosing the right distro for the right use case, but that's unfortunately a process you need to go through yourself.

Generally, there's 3 main "lines" of popular Linux distros: RedHat/SuSE (counting them together because they use the same packaging format RPM), Debian/Ubuntu, and Arch. Fedora and OpenSuSE are derived from RedHat and SuSE respectively, Ubuntu is derived from Debian but also stands on its own feet nowadays (although both will always be very similar), Mint and Pop!OS are both derived from Ubuntu so will always be similar to Ubuntu and Debian as well), and Endeavour is derived from Arch.

I'd recommend using Fedora if you don't like to tinker much, otherwise use Arch or Debian. You can't go wrong with any of those three, they've been around forever and they are rock solid with either strong community backing or both strong community and company backing in the case of Fedora. Debian is, depending on edition, less up to date than the other two, but still a rock solid distro that can be made more current by using either the testing or unstable edition and/or by installing backports and community-made up to date packages. It's more work to keep it updated of course. Don't be misled by Debian's labels - Debian testing at least is as stable as any other distro.

Ubuntu is decent, just suffers from some questionable Canonical decisions which make it less popular among veterans. Still a great alternative to Debian, if you're hesitant about Debian because of its software version issues, but still want something very much alike Debian. It's more current than Debian, but not as current as a rolling or semi-rolling release distro such as Arch or Fedora.

OpenSuSE is probably similar in spirit and background to Fedora, but less popular overall, and that's a minus because you'll find less distro-specific help for it then. Still maybe a "hidden gem" - whenever I read about it, it's always positive.

Endeavour is an alternative to Arch, if pure Arch is too "hard" or too much work. It's probably the best "Easy Arch-based" distro out of all of them. Not counting some niche stuff like Arco etc.

Mint is generally also very solid and very easy, like Ubuntu, but probably better. If you want to go the Ubuntu route but don't like Ubuntu that much, check out Mint. It's one of the best newbie-friendly distros because it's very easy to use and has GUI programs for everything.

Pop!OS is another Ubuntu/Mint-like alternative, very current as well.

For gaming and new-ish hardware support, I'd say Arch, Fedora or Pop!OS (and more generally, rolling / semi-rolling release distros) are best suited.

Well that's about it for the most popular distros.

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