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[-] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 79 points 8 months ago

Too bad many states will just refuse the money.

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's the best they can do given the political landscape IMO

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

That's probably the reason he is pledging it. It will help democrats in those states.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I don't get this part...

The full details of the package are expected to be announced by Doug Emhoff, the husband of Vice President Kamala Harris, at an event at the White House later on Tuesday.

Why?! Biden should be doing this! He needs to be out in public looking strong and "doing things"! SMH This makes him look like everybody else is doing his job for him.

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[-] dephyre@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago

I'm really curious to see what these projects are going to look like. It's estimated that 30-40% of all food in the US is wasted (usda.gov)

USAToday also has a recent story where they discussed some of the climate impacts that could be contributing to.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago

Keep in mind: the largest source of food waste is residential. The second largest source is restaurants.

Food waste is bad for the environment, sure. But the rent being too damn high is a lot more of the reason why people go hungry than me letting a bagged salad in my fridge go bad.

[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'd argue that the largest source is actually grocery stores followed by restaurants. I've worked a few grocery stores including target when they added pfresh. The food that gets tossed by deli/bakery alone will piss you off. Second harvest would only come around once or twice a week so the rest of the time tons of bread, fried chicken, cakes, etc would get tossed in the trash. And thats not even accounting for the vendor trash. At least once I rescued a ton of little debbie stuff from a dumpster, it was all still boxed up and in date, the boxes had been smashed by something so the vendor tossed it.

The amount of outdated chobani I pulled off an end cap once would make your head spin. I filled up an entire shopping cart once because the idiots who were supposed to be running pfresh just kept stuffing it full without rotating stock or checking dates.

Oh and ask me about the pallets of bananas that tgt would throw out because they were shipped too much, didn't sell enough, etc.

One bread vendor I knew would take the close dated bread to the nearest good will so it had a chance to sell but I'm not sure about others.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

You can argue, sure. But people have actually studied this, and you're factually just plain wrong.

You've seen the centralized waste. But you haven't picked through a neighborhood's worth of trash cans to put that centralized waste into the larger decentralized context.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

People mistaking anecdotes and feels for data

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can you point to the part in the study that confirms that half of food waste is at an individual residential level?

It's not that I don't believe you but this study is absolutely dense and kinda doesn't have any specific data as far as I can see on that subject but is instead a much wider view in the topic. And FLI number include any post production waste which includes retail, restaurants and consumer level, which means grocery stores and other supply points could be adding to the numbers.

I also don't love that this references waste of food generates green house gases but states composting as a clean alternative despite it being practically the same process of degradation that leads to emissions of green house gases.
I would love to see cities implement large scale composting programs but that's just to preserve the biological components for fertilizer instead of mining for artificial phosphates.

I notice articles and papers on food waste tend to have not enough data points and a lot of motivated thought points on them. Not enough practical work or solutions. No mention of scaling back production, or local centralized composting (only individual), and adapted policies on food safety.

We just all need to eat more apparently.

Edit: found the original paper cited for North America consumption food waste which includes restaurant and home use and the answer is we definitely need to eat more cause of man is it insane. Higher than the article posted actually.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Look at figure 2.

Consumption isn't 50%, but it's the largest single bar in that chart - significantly so.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thank you for the figure you were looking at it led me to the original source for that data which is actually even more wild.

So in the North America region it's actually worse with it being around 61% of food loss occurs at the consumption stage and 42% of food overall is wasted which is INSANELY high and nearly double that of Europe.
Man I guess we really do need to eat more.

Consumption stage however does include restaurants and catering, as well as in the home use.
With according to the study the 3 main reasons being
• sorted out for appearance
• not consumed before expired
• cooked but not eaten

It's speculative to try and guess the amount that is from restaurants and commercial food prep but I would guess the amount thrown out by the cumulative 300+ million Americans each day is probably a good chunk of the percentage if not the majority.

Really interesting study, the one you linked too even steals a couple of their charts. Thanks!
http://pdf.wri.org/reducing_food_loss_and_waste.pdf

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[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I actually do argue that and I'm not in the mood to tear it apart. I know what the average household throws out despite mine being on the (damn near nothing) end of the bell curve.

If you had actually ever worked any grocery or restaurants, you would know what I know and just because it was done by the nih doesn't mean it's accurate at all or even well done.

I really doubt that the entirety of a week's worth of grocery store trash would be less than that of the combined households that shop there. And as I said because I'm sure the study didn't cover, thats not even accounting for the various vendors throwing out old or close dated products.

Some things like the aforementioned bread sometimes gets moved elsewhere and I'm sure some of them donate it to second harvest or similar but then you also have the chips, beer, etc that all come in via vendor and the trash/out date stuff goes with them so you can't really track it because the store doesn't have that in their system.

I'm also not sure you know how large a standard retail dumpster is and how often they are picked up. You also likely have no idea just how much fits into the compactors that stores use. Stores throw out way way more food than you seem to realize.

In addition to the above, I'd also bet that the nih didn't account for the "weird" produce that doesn't make It to shelves because (most) people won't buy it, if also wager that they didn't account for the product that goes bad sitting around between suppliers, DCs, stores, etc.

Oh and before I am done here. Please do yourself a favor and look up the definition for the word "argue". I am not saying that I know for a fact, I'm saying that I would ARGUE that I'm right.

The nih and you are putting this problem on the consumer when just like water usage, the consumer is the least of the problems with waste.

You have a nice day now.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

LOL, you're not entitled to just assume a study is wrong and that your anecdote or gut feeling is better.

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[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

This right here. We don't have a food scarcity issue or even a price problem for most things. What we have is a logistics problem. Way too many people live in what are called food deserts. If they have easy access to "food" it's usually of the convenience store variety, overpriced and extremely bad for you.

I know not everyone can afford it but those that can should look at misfits marketplace. They sell the oddball produce that most people won't buy so it doesn't make it your local store, when a design changes drastically or is printed wrong, etc.

Tackiing hunger in this country will take money because money makes thing happen but it will also take more than just buying a bunch of food and handing it out. It's going to take a push for more community gardens, maybe allowing agriculture inside limits where it isn't at the moment, etc.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Almost half of food waste is people buying food that they let go bad before they eat it.

That's substantially a price problem, in that people are more willing to let a cheap banana spoil than a prime rib or lobster. Food being cheap makes people more willing to let it expire.

But fixing residential food waste by making food more expensive would make hunger worse.

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[-] doingless@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

$10 billion funded school lunches for a year during COVID and we should have kept it going. School kitchens are back to having to try to collect "lunch debt" again. So how is less than a fifth of that going to end hunger? This is just election posturing and empty promises. Look for more of these coming soon from the right.

[-] Postreader2814@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago

Can't wait to see Red States reject the aid for their hungriest constituents.

[-] EffortlessEffluvium@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago

Oh, a couple of states already did it. Were offered funds to feed kids during the summer time off from school. Rejected for “Socialism”…

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[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

And those people will still vote Republican to 'own the libs.'

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago

That's SOCIALISM! Why not let RICH PEOPLE do that instead? Also I'm VERY VERY happy Elon Musk paid $44BILLION for a website!

[-] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

… and then destroyed it. The man is clearly a genius.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

He's doing with it exactly what he wanted originally.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

He can pledge whatever he can, but being in control of only the executive branch, his options are limited.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
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[-] jobby@lemmy.today 19 points 8 months ago

The GOP will NOT LIKE that. ‘Bama and other states will reject the funding because… reasons.

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[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I bet it'll all go to the illegal migrants, their luxury rooms and their free credit cards. /S

[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 18 points 8 months ago

Fuck I hope so whatever helps those trying to get ahead. I work with a lot of immigrants and I'd love to give anyone of them those

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Can we not find a source for the news that isn't owned by an East Asian religious cult since 2018?

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Oh look the Democrats are trying to get people to vote again

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

How much has he already given to murder across the globe?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Biden administration has announced a $1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the U.S. by 2030, the White House announced on Tuesday morning.

The commitment will go towards funding 141 projects across the nation.

The full details of the package are expected to be announced by Doug Emhoff, the husband of Vice President Kamala Harris, at an event at the White House later on Tuesday.

As of 2022, around 17 million households experienced food insecurity nationwide, and more than 44 million people across the U.S. faced hunger, including one in five children, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The funding builds on the $8 billion already committed to fighting hunger in September 2022.

This is a breaking story.


The original article contains 127 words, the summary contains 124 words. Saved 2%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] neuropean@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

My god that picture.

“What’re you looking at smooth skin”

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

A genocide enabler who feeds people is still a genocide enabler.

[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Waste of money; fight the high prices instead of this pr crap

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago

Man I hate when politicians try to help people

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