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[-] hyper@lemmy.zip 120 points 2 years ago

rehabilitation instead of prison..

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago

How about if I’m not bothering anybody then don’t even arrest me?

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 46 points 2 years ago

The logic is deterrence.

I mean it's stupid, but that's what the supporters think.

The thing they are missing is that no one commits a crime thinking they will get caught. So ever increasing the deterrence doesn't help.

Drugs is a public health issue, no really criminal. Prohibition doesn't work with things done at scales like drugs and alcohol. You're just feeding the criminal gangs.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

The logic is subjugation. These laws are applied largely to a specific group of people, and even if they don't spend life in prison, their ability to build a life for themselves afterwards is neutered, and they lost the right to vote.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

That's because it's not logic - it's propaganda. The war on drugs was always built on a solid bedrock of oppressing minorities, black people in particular.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

It's perfectly circular, like this man's dome.

Don't forget that drug laws are often racist e.g. cocaine possession carries a lesser punishment than crack, cannabis is a schedule 1 substance, etc. This goes some way to explaining the legal rationale.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

The rest can be found on the Nixon tapes. :)

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[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm from the city this cop was from and if I remember correctly he was shot in the head and survived but obviously not the same. Maybe he died I don't really remember.

I'm not a fan of the police but on a human level some awful stuff happened to this guy.

Edit: looked it up because I was curious he underwent brain surgery and survived.

Fuck the police as a whole tho

[-] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

I used to have that same belief but watching "good" cops cover for bad ones made me realize they're all scummy.

[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

I agree even this guy but life has nuance and I felt this was info that is pertinent to the meme.

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago

There is always some nuance, but in general most morally upstanding people drop out of training or are pushed out of the force in some way.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Makes more sense when you consider that the "justice" system profits greatly from the war on drugs.

[-] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago
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[-] Piers@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago

Regan's administration started the war on drugs. Convicting drugs users of a criminal crime has the effect of taking the right to vote away from people who tended not to vote for the Republican party and allowed them to be legally used as slave labour. At least one member of that administration has explicitly stated that this was a strategic decision to win elections.

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[-] TopShelfVanilla@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago
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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cops do not, never have and never will "protect and serve" a regular person. They protect and serve the elite.

There is a good reason we say ACAB, fuck the police and call them class traitors

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[-] neoney@lemmy.neoney.dev 28 points 2 years ago

If only it was like in Portugal…

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[-] timdave@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Just a reminder that cops exist simply to uphold the status quo! Our first police squads were created to hunt down escaped slaves! Fuck - and I really mean this - the police.

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[-] Roundcat@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago

"They'll ruin your life cause I'll ruin your life!"

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm all for caging money making dealers that kill when they are threatened with prison. I've seen too many people get killed because some cunt that already has enough money is scared to get caught.

[-] HorseWithNoName@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

If only those were the people that US cops actually arrested.

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[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 years ago

It didn't say what mechanism would be used for the drugs to ruin your life. Prison works just as well as turning tricks for smack as far as life ruining goes.

[-] nxfsi@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Failure to enforce drug prohibition resulted in Qing China having a nationwide addiction epidemic for British opium, resulting in the opium wars, the country's bankruptcy, partial European colonization as well as the so-called "century of humiliation". The effects of this addiction epidemic are still being felt nowadays, e.g. in widespread racism towards Asian people as well as the current opioid epidemic where Chinese-made fentanyl is exported worldwide with the unofficial sanction of the Chinese government.

This is the reason why drug prohibition is a thing, and why many Asian countries have death sentences even for simple possession of narcotics.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is such a bastardization of history. Shame on you for spreading this nonsense.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah... Racism has nothing to do with the historical opium epidemic in China. Racists just racist. Anyone different from them too, like LGBTQ, and intellectuals.

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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

There is no way you just compared modern drugs and war on drugs on the fucking Qing China.

Especially when there are MODERN examples of drug decriminalisation that work, like Portugal or Switzerland.

You are either completely ignorant or stupid to ignore it and use a fucking ancient example instead

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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions.

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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago

You do know it's not police who make these laws, right? It's the politicians that get elected by the people who create these laws.

[-] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 2 years ago

They chose to make their career of enthusiastically enforcing these laws with extreme violence. They chose this. Fuck the police.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago

I feel like this attitude and generalized hatred towards every person working as police will make it worse because no one will want to do that job anymore. It has already happend in the USA. This activism against police in general swaps to other countries via internet culture and European countries as well struggle to get anyone work as police. This will make it necessary to lower standards and additionally, more police will be on edge since there aren't enough people.

[-] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 2 years ago

no one will want to do that job anymore

Good.

I've never seen a crime deterred or solved by the cops. You know what prevents crime? Improved standards of living. Secure housing. Gainful employment. Future prospects.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 14 points 2 years ago

I feel like this attitude and generalized hatred towards every person working as police will make it worse because no one will want to do that job anymore.

thatsthepoint.jpg

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[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 32 points 2 years ago

Police unions and private prison system lobbyists have entered the chat

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[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

self fulfilling prophecy

[-] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I believe the legal repercussions are part of that "can ruin your life", not just the addiction and/or health concerns.

Though that still makes it an entirely artificial consequence that does not need to and should not exist.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The logic, whether or not you agree with it, is that drugs in general are hazardous and can kill or disable you, and they contribute to a black market and all the related crimes of drug trafficking and addiction. So punishments aren’t for drug use but for possession and trafficking.

[-] Browning@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

drugs in general are hazardous

Not true in general, and certainly not true in specific cases. There are over 16,000 drugs used by humans, and very few of them are hazardous at the correct dose. Are they hazardous at incorrect dosage? Some are, some are not, but then almost anything, water included, will kill you at inappropriate dosage. Many illegal recreational drugs such as LSD, psilocybin and DMT have no known lethal dose.

they contribute to a black market and all the related crimes of drug trafficking

That's simply a function of them being illegal. If they were not illegal, they would not "contribute to a black market and all the related crimes of drug trafficking".

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

It's the same logic as when Republicans claim Government doesn't work....

It's not ignorance or stupidity, it's a mission statement.. Republicans are trying to make Government not work and Cops are actively trying to fuck you over

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