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Start a new political party, the 'American Progressive Majority'. (i.redd.it)

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Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".

A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.

Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source

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[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 26 points 6 days ago

it's wild that only 55% of you guys want a fairer health care system

[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago

It’s because the phrase “Medicare for all” has been propagandized. If you instead asked if people wanted “affordable medical treatment and preventative care for themselves and others”, I’m sure that number would be much higher.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

Ok but now is not a good time to disarm

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The working class must never disarm. Post jan 6th and George floydd and people still have yet to learn that no one will protect us but ourselves. How delusional of me to think anything will ever drive this point home in people's frightened minds.

It would be nice to have some reforms, but that's not what anti gun people want. They want everything. We could pass reforms and somebody will shoot up some gun free zone and people will be back to take more. It's a never ending circle that only stops at fully stripping the right to own a firearm completely. Some aren't even ashamed to admit it.

My body, my choice in how to protect it. Prisons are gun free, prisoners have very few rights. Yet rape / violence in prisons are a running joke everyone enjoys repeating. I will not be a prisoner.

Good luck to OP with their party but I want no part of it. Plus they aren't in favor of legalizing all drugs so you support the police state's right to continue to ruin lives and shoot people for fun with no repercussions. Not to mention the lives lost from tainted unregulated drugs of a unknown potency. Oh and nothing on replacing First-past-the-post voting so we can have more then two parties? Super hard pass. We'd only be 3-4 generations before the capitalist class captures this political party as well. If not less.

If only we could join a commune that best reflects each of our values. OP could be completely unarmed in their commune and mine would have nukes cause humans are psychotic hairless apes that only respect one thing. Overwhelming violence.

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[-] Ferus42@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

So much this. I support nearly everything on this proposed new party's list except the gun control items. I seriously doubt only 27% of Americans own a gun. I know more than a few Democrats who own not just one, but multiple firearms. Including aSsAuLt rifles. And the 90% support for tougher gun laws? There has to be a very serious conversation about what that looks like.

As for a ceasefire for the war in Gaza... It's terrible so many innocent civilians are being killed, but Hamas started this most recent war. They are also well known to use civilians as human shields. Finally, they will never stop their attacks until Israel no longer exists. Even during the most recent ceasefire, Hamas was focused on building more weapons so they could continue their attacks: https://english.aawsat.com/features/5123487-what-are-hamas-military-options-gaza-war-resumes

According to the sources, Hamas' military wing had hoped the ceasefire would last longer, allowing it to resume producing rockets, explosive devices, and other weaponry. However, efforts were severely limited due to a shortage of raw materials.

The only way to truly "free Palestine" is to rid them of Hamas, or at least shift their focus to supporting their own people and governing Gaza instead of waging jihad.

[-] caveman8000@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I think I misunderstood your comment. I was thinking it wasn't time to figuratively disarm the Democratic party....

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

70% couldn't ve bothered voting knowing it meant democracy's end

Good intentions are important Americans, but you cannot make the world a better place just by having good intentions and navel gazing

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Only a little more than half support Medicare for all? Is this a terminology issue, or are 45% of Americans that terrible?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago

Sadly there's this idea that Americans are being taxed to death, when in reality not so much.

People don't understand that while we'd pay maybe hundreds more in taxes to fund Single Payer, we'd pay THOUSANDS less in healthcare costs, so we still come out ahead

[-] DarthKaren@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

They also don't understand the "they" part. People who don't support, or at least those I've met, don't understand that "they" doesn't mean the government per se. It means you. The individual. You pay more in health care because of defaults on payments. Because of so many other things. The cost of that gets passed on to you. The individual.

People get stuck in the "I got mine" mentality. They don't see the bigger picture. "Why should I pay for someone else's health care!" is what I commonly hear. My dude, you already do. When you point this out. When you give the stats. They usually shut down and it's"

10 "Why should I pay for someone else's health care!"

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People just can't seem to grasp the wider picture. I'm not sure they want to. Any issue that requires a wider picture sees the same response. Default to previous operation. Repeat operation.

"Oh no! She's stuck in an infinite loop and he's too stupid to realize it." - Professor F

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

"Why should I pay for someone else's healthcare."

WEll someone hasn't heard to "Ask not what their country can do for you..." Stupidity breeds selfishness which breeds stupidity

[-] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

But I'm not sick or injured right now, so it won't benefit me at this exact second in time, so why would I want this?

Plus my unstable career, where I'm treated as a number rather than a human, is currently paying for my health insurance. So I don't need any government handouts thankyou very much.

Yeah, checkmate commie.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Not to mention which taxpayers the funding would come from, if someone who would actually implement M4A got into power. We likely wouldn't be paying any more at all.

[-] green@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago

TL;DR people are not good with money. There is no point is arguing finances with people that do not know basic math.

So what the conversation devolves to is "stable" vs "experimental" and very few people will choose to be experimental with their health.

The best way to shift favor would be for it to be required to show the cost of insurance on every check (it is currently a hidden fee). This way, when "hooman see big number" removed from gross pay they may reconsider.

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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

This is a better platform than the Dems provided in 2024. Upvoted and cross-posted.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

The current two party system doesn't represent what the majority wants. Both parties work for the super wealthy. Until we get rid of the Democratic and Republican parties nothing good will happen.

[-] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago

Our entire US system is set up to make it so that it is essentially (literally) impossible for a third party to win. This article gives a decent basic overview of why: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4947662-why-a-third-party-presidential-candidate-can-never-win/

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I am glad my state somewhat backs is claim of being independent by keeping RCV. Still voted for trump though, but at least that's something besides laying down for the party that tells us we are to stupid for ranked choice

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

How we vote is controlled at the state level. We don't need federal reform to change how we count votes to make 3rd parties able to participate without a spoiler effect.

Alaska has passed these reforms, so can your state. Unless of course your state representatives don't support democracy.

Electoral Reform Videos

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

as long as you don't start passing anti FPTP voting laws in democratic states first, you'll be fine, you do it in democratic states and you lose votes, overwhelmingly.

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[-] Rin@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago

Then fucking vote like it

[-] 5parky@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Yup. Vote for a turd taco or a shit sandwich. That's all we get the choice for anymore.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Any party that tries to be created with populism but ignores the materialist analyist of how we got to this point and how to combat reactionary thinking and regressivism (which is conservatism, which is why its a universal flaw) will only fall to the same tactics and pitfalls that have led us to this division in the first place. We need a true worker's parry that understands that division of power and group interests lay on class lines (capitalists vs workers) and not on any of the manufacturered scapegoat ones. Progressive ideas are popular yes, but they need to come with actual systematic analysis or they will just morph into right-wing populism through lack of critical thinking and bad actors.

[-] 10001110101@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Meh, I'm guessing there already is some small party that ticks all those boxes. I'm guessing independents, or some random party could win certain local races if the Dem and Rep are both very unpopular, and the media gives them air time (that may be hard). Unfortunately, I don't think the next presidential election will be valid election, and I don't think the state-level elections in red states will be valid either. Having other parties can be useful for getting messaging out (again, if the media gives them air-time), but the country looks like it's going full fascist, which will probably need mass direct action, or war, to unseat.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think we should be making the dems fear us too.

Shooting ceos and burning tesla seems to be the only way to get heard now. I don't want to advocate for violence, but when I see dems being friendly with Republicans it fills me with dispare and hopelessness, they are the most well equipped people to do something and they treat it like another day in the office. I was so mad when Harris shook trump's hand like 'to bad about the peasants, but good game!'

I am not stupid enough to think both sides are the same, but they are not really different either.

Edit: and so people don't think I am signaling out Harris, I was pissed off when Walz said he could friends with Vance. Of course that fat cancerous blob of shit could be friends with the neo monarchist.