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submitted 1 year ago by BearPear@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

TLDW of this video from ChatGPT

The video highlights the following main points about why Linux Mint is considered better than Windows 11:

  1. Start Menu and Customization: Linux Mint's menu is more organized and customizable than Windows 11's start menu. It offers three columns, resizable icons, and customizable labels.

  2. Taskbar (Panel) Features: Linux Mint's panel is more flexible, allowing repositioning, resizing, and creation of additional panels. Applets enhance functionality, offering features like quick desktop access and window behavior customization.

  3. Privacy and Telemetry: Linux Mint is privacy-focused, avoiding telemetry. Certain apps' telemetry can be manually disabled. Windows 11 is criticized for lacking privacy.

  4. Bloatware and Pre-installed Apps: Linux Mint has minimal bloatware, including useful tools or open-source alternatives. Windows 11 can have cluttered start menus with unwanted icons.

  5. Batch File Renaming and Management: Linux Mint's file management includes advanced batch renaming with insertion, removal, and case conversion. Windows 11 lacks similar features.

  6. Security (Future Topic): Security is mentioned as a potential future topic, with Linux Mint considered more privacy-oriented than Windows 11. Discussions about security are acknowledged.

The narrator encourages viewer engagement and discussion on the covered topics.

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[-] darreninthenet@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 year ago

"Objectively" 🤦🏻‍♂️

[-] torvusbogpod@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Objectively is the new Literally

[-] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Canonically

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Objectively, it is literally the new literally

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Everyday I get older that word losses more and more meaning

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I was like cool, finally a comparison without someone's opinion..... Ah, fuck

[-] om1k@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 year ago

"Objectively": Proceeds to give his opinion

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean imo everything about Windows is terrible. But I don't think you're going to win (lol) anyone over with debates, at least no one who doesn't already complain about Windows. I think the main reasons people use Windows are:

  1. Ubiquity (they use it at work, at the library, and at home)
  2. Familiarity (it's what they grew up with)
  3. Barrier to entry (the average person doesn't have to install windows. And even if they do it's a lot less painful than installing a Linux distro)
  4. Gaming (this is sliding a little bit but many many people still install windows on a homebrew tower specifically for gaming)

Ubiquity will have a hard time changing as long as Microsoft continues to bastardize their own products for the sake of B2B relationships. Familiarity is a chance of history so that's kinda up to you to get your kids into what you like. Barrier to entry is a systemic issue with the Linux and FOSS communities at large and I genuinely don't see this changing anytime soon (and I'm not just speaking culturally although that's an issue too). And gaming, well we all know the Linux gaming community has been slowly but steadily growing for a while now, cue the steamdeck enjoyers

[-] Wander@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

For a lot of normal people linux just doesnt offer any advantages they care about. If you tell them it can do everything windows can do, the question "so why should i go through the effort of switching" remains. There'd have to be something they really want, that they can't get from windows.
Though average users use mobile devices instead of desktops more and more, so I can see windows becoming mostly a thing that people use at work.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Ya it's hard to sell it to someone when the conversation is basically "well if you spend several hours learning all of these tools then you can get it working the way your windows box works... Kinda"

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I love Linux, but I do generally consider it a special-purpose OS. Servers, embedded stuff, etc, I will always go with some flavour of Linux.

But for a daily driver I do struggle imagining using anything other than Windows. Like sure, I could probably get all my games and CAD software working in a Linux OS. But I can easily grab Win10 LTSB and have everything just work. I have to make a living from my machine, and ultimately I just need it to work.

If I was doing just web and office work, then it would be no harder really, but I've finally accepted that not everything should be a project!

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[-] ProtonBadger@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I mean imo everything about the windows is terrible.

Maybe that's very subjective but I find that thought very hyperbolic. Windows generally is pretty good and for example have some nice features like complete system reset while preserving your files. Windows has some issues but so does Linux.

I only use Linux on my gaming+work laptop because I enjoy the freedom and I feel Windows is overly intricate and more and more "commercial" but Linux has its rough edges.

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[-] Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip 25 points 1 year ago

TLDW of this video from ChatGPT

That's a lot of trust to blindly place in a GPT...

[-] fschaupp@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can confirm the results above. Nontheless, you are right.

[-] t0m5k1@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But all 5 points can be said for all other distros running a DE.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago

I'm guessing this video is for people thinking about switching to Linux from Windows. Mint is probably the best distro for most of them.

[-] mub@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Ok. Now, change the audio bit rate in the GUI? You can try any Linux you like.

The Lack of functions in the GUI to configure Hardware devices is a serious problem for Linux. You can't Configure anything on your AMD graphics card, set sleep timeout of you wireless game controller, or enable HDR.

I'm currently having a good time in Arch but I'm frustrated that GUI controls for basic stuff is still missing. Most of this stuff has been in Windows for decades.

Rather focusing on the how customisable the desktop environment is, they need to focus on making Hardware configuration easier.

[-] MangoPenguin 7 points 1 year ago

Similar one, try to change mouse acceleration. The last couple distros I had tried were completely lacking any config option for that.

There are already comments about how a GUI isn't needed or something like that, but Linux will never become remotely mainstream as a consumer OS with that kind of attitude.

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

https://github.com/simonepalmer/pipewire-controller https://github.com/wwmm/easyeffects https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/helvum https://kx.studio/Applications:Catia https://github.com/cyber-sushi/pipewire-sample-rate-config https://github.com/rncbc/qpwgraph

The first looks like it does specifically what you mentioned. I haven't tried any of these except Helvum, and I don't remember if you can change the bitrate.

I don't have enough patience (or need) to use a GUI for stuff like this - wpctl is fairly comprehensive - but if it's something you need to do a lot I get the appeal.

And, I hear what you're saying about hardware config tools. I maintain a cross-platform monitoring tool, and frequently get requests to support graphics cards; it's the most troublesome and difficult chore, because these devices all have bespoke APIs, and it's a PITA to support them - moreso because it's impossible to test the support when you don't have access to all of the hardware.

[-] jarredpickles87@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

How DARE you ask about GUI controls! But seriously I'd love to see more of it. It certainly would make on-boarding of windows users much easier. All the CLI functions scare most away. It seems like every time I ask about a GUI for something I get shot down hard. Like I understand why CLI is more prevalent, way easier to troubleshoot and instruct people across multiple distros. But if you want to grow the Linux community, ease of use to the broad public has to become priority, and I think GUIs is the best starting point for that.

And having things built in would be a major help as well, instead of having to see if the software center has it, and then searching GitHub when it doesn't. Again, I get that some distros might have that, but that would be a niche distro for certain things. A nice GUI tool to adjust GPU parameters would be super (using coolero at the moment), a better audio device manager, gamepad device manager as well, task manager that's a little more user friendly.

I'm rambling and I don't want to sound like I dislike Linux. I made Mint my only OS on my laptop and two PCs in my house. I love it. I keep W11 on my gaming PC as a dual boot strictly for VR. That's all that's holding me back. I'm fine with CLI tools but I'd reeeeeeally like it if GUI tools became more prevalent.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Last time I used my Wacom tablet on a Linux station, I had to type a bunch of commands every start up to get it to work in the correct aspect ratio because there was no GUI tool for that. Surely there's a way to register that kind of stuff for start up, but why do I have to figure this out ? I just need to get work done. Wacom tablets have been around for 30 years and are used by most of the digital artists out there, it's not some exotic peripheral. It seems like it should be easier

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[-] victron@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

Instead of actual Linux discussions, every day there's a new "windows bad" circlejerk post.

[-] nitefox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

“I switched to Linux today, my life is completely different!”

[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

And every single one will be met with "I spend 80% of my pc time gaming, my games don't run in linux as good as windows, end of discussion".

Also, comparing stuff to windows 11 is quite the low bar, 2 of those points don't apply to win10 and the 5th can be done with powershell and wsl1.0 afaik pretty fast. the 5th can be done in windows by running a python script too, and let's be honest, what is the use case of batch file renaming if it's not for programming? it's not a common issue.

So basically, it's about privacy, bloatware and security. Bloatware can be uninstalled if you are a power user, and let's be honest normal users won't even dream about using linux.

So yeah. I love it for work but it's lacking for my entertainment pc.

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[-] jon@lemdro.id 13 points 1 year ago

Literally none of those are actually"objective"...

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Security (Future Topic): Security is mentioned as a potential future topic, with Linux Mint considered more privacy-oriented than Windows 11. Discussions about security are acknowledged.

Is Wayland support finally actively worked on, or is it still postponed?

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to a recent announcement by one of the devs:

We also want to spend time on studying the pros and cons of Wayland and to assess the work needed in its potential adoption.

In other words, they haven't even started yet.

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

Big yikes. In that case, I wouldn't recommend Mint to beginners at all. Alone, the whole Sandbox concept of Flatpak needs Wayland to work properly. Wayland is the future, regardless if you like it or not.

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I actually think Pop OS and Nobara are the best beginner distros right now. Mint is falling a bit behind the times.

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[-] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago
  1. Start Menu and Customization

Not to mention the Cinnamenu applet

Example by way of my own Cinnamenu setup

[-] zib@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This is really nice. I've been using Mint for years and didn't know about it.

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[-] user@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

hi op, how did u get chatgpt to do that? I tried a free version from element/riot which I think is chatgpt 3.5 but it doesnt work 🤷

[-] BearPear@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It doesn't work automatically.

Go to a youtube video There is an option to view the transcript of the video near to the description in three dot menu Copy the transcription and paste it into chatgpt.

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[-] stizzah@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago

What is this "minimal bloatware" of Mint exactly?

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[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Security is mentioned as a potential future topic, with Linux Mint considered more privacy-oriented than Windows 11.

Security and privacy are not the same thing!

[-] GoOnASteamTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I found it mildly funny reading this, I've not been using vanilla windows 10 for quite a while, but have resorted to sticking plasters to get the same effects as mint (start10, fences, and powertoys). It's very true, out the box all that's baked into mint, and with the privacy etc.

I heartily miss Mint/Xubuntu, but am cursed with my interests being in game development and audio. :) one of these years...

[-] ShustOne@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Point 4 is only true if you buy a pre built system. If you install the OS yourself there is very little pre installed.

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I suppose it depends on your definition of "very little" but I would say that for most Linux users, "Windows 11 can have cluttered start menus with unwanted icons" is definitely accurate.

I did a fresh install of Windows 11 Home the other day and it had at least 10 apps that I manually removed right off the bat. Stuff like WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook Messenger, One Note, Xbox Live and a few freebie games were sitting front and center in the start menu, even though I had not agreed to have any of them installed.

[-] Carter@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Majority of people are buying prebuilt systems or laptops though.

[-] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 6 points 1 year ago

What you're seeing in the Video is pretty much what the start menu will look like after a clean install of Windows 11, minus Audacity and Chrome.

[-] eochaid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

1& 2: These are the kinds of things that appeal to people with OCD and enthusiasts with more time than work to do. And for the former, more customization can be destructive to productivity. Most people just want to sit down and either get work done or get their game open - not sit for hours customizing the interface.

I rarely ever use my taskbar and start menu on Windows because I can hit the start key and type to find the thing I want. Linux can do that too, but you're focusing instead on finnicky customization. Most people have a cluttered desktop for a reason - nobody cares or has the time to properly organize their shit. I would suggest focusing on the real performance and productivity benefits of Linux.

3: The only people that care about telemetry are those that already hate Microsoft and already use Linux. Most Windows users couldn't give two shits that Microsoft uses their anomymized usage data to fix bugs and evaluate feature adoption. Also, the only way to avoid telemetry is if the only servers you ever access are in your basement.

4: I agree that Windows is really obnoxious about the bullshit they're putting on even base Windows install, but it takes me like 5 minutes to go through add/remove programs. You know what takes me longer than 5 minutes? Getting any non-standard hardware working on Linux, and even some software, and often because the base OS is missing something or has some box unchecked because a FOSS enthusiast has opinions.

5: Not enough people are aware of the fantastic set of freeware MS makes called PowerToys. PowerRenamer actually handles this gap for me. I feel like it should be included with windows but alas, some people would probably consider it "bloatware".

6: MS certainly has issues in this regard, but I'm curious to know how Linux Mint actually faires. Consumer-focused distros tend to benefit from their low adoption rate and don't get hammered by attacks like Windows and RHEL derivatives do. But I'll freely agree that most Linux distros tend to be more secure by default. That said, does it really matter to the average Windows user? No it doesn't. Because the biggest security issue for both Windows and Linux is actually the user - not an OS flaw. Even a default Windows environment is normally secure enough for most users.

[-] randomperson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I have tried lots of distros yet I am always going back to Windows.

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