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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 175 points 1 year ago

The 2 party system is horseshit, but this is your recurring reminder that the greens are not worth your vote.

Any party serious about affecting change does so at the local level first. The fact that the greens consistently try to get attention with symbolic candidacies at the national level while being fuck all out of touch with school boards and local politics paints them as diva opportunists at best and bad faith progressive spoilers at worst.

This is coming from someone who agrees with most of West's platform at face value

[-] technicalogical@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

You know who was involved with the Green Party back in the early 2000s? Kyrsten Sinema.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

I mean, you don't even need to go that far back. 2016 green presidential candidate Jill Stein literally rubbed elbows with Putin and Mike Flynn in 2015

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

she went there to confront Putin.

[-] chase_what_matters@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago
[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

this isn't a rebuttal. it's an appeal to ridicule.

[-] chase_what_matters@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Oh I understood the tone and it made me laugh. Sorry you got downvoted tho

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Lemmy's great because downvotes don't matter

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Then she’s even more of an idiot. You don’t enter a tyrants court to confront them unless you want to be the latest occupent of the gibbet

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[-] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Running for president as a 3rd party is like proposing marriage to random strangers instead of, y’know, dating people. We all know you’re doing it for attention because it’s not going to work.

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[-] charliespider@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I'm a green party supporter (not in the US) and couldn't agree more. I support the greens as much as I can to help spread environmental awareness, but if the election looks like it will be close, I vote for the party most likely to defeat the conservatives.

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[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 10 points 1 year ago

IMO still better to vote 3rd party than to waste your vote with the blues and reds.

We need to start showing them that we are not shee, just keep voting for them with no changes; Reagan/BushSr/Clinton/BushJr/Obama/Trump/Biden all they did was for the wealthy class not for the working class, do not get me wrong they do throw in crumbs here and there...

[-] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trump admin: passes $1.5 trillion tax cut where 60% of savings go to the top 20% and slashes the corporate tax rate by 40%

Biden admin: passes $1 trillion infrastructure bill, $400 billion in climate funding, $1.9 trillion in COVID aid that temporarily boosted unemployment aid and child tax credit, and first major gun safety legislation in decades, seen here

Demand change. Demand more from the politicians that work for you. Take Biden and all elected officials to account for expiring temporary relief for the lower class. But on many important issues for the lower class there are big differences between red and blue.

[-] Pattern@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you. I get so frustrated with people who say the two parties are the same. They are not, and all you have to do is compare the policy achievements of the Trump and Biden administrations. There are real consequences to choosing Dem over GOP.

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

We need ranked choice voting first. Funny how it's something both Democrats and Republicans can unite over why it's bad, confusing, whatever...

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

I’ve noticed an increase in “bOtH sIdEs!11!!!” bullshit on Lemmy lately, along with your usual cadre of dumbfucks who will be manipulated into tacitly supporting the republican traitor filth. And I’m betting it’ll steadily tick upward.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.one 41 points 1 year ago

As bad as that debt is, it would be worse if it just up and mysteriously disappeared one day.

I hope folks are watching it like hawks.

I like Doctor West as a person, he's a fascinating guy, and a great speaker, but nobody in that much debt should be anywhere near elected office.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I work in the finance/baking sector. I literally couldn't get a job like this. Every bank or financial institutions HR departments would disqualify you on a background check.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I think Cornell West made great contributions to philosophy. As someone with pragmatist leanings I enjoyed his works. I don't want him in a congressional or executive government role.

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[-] Passenger@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It's really a spoiled vote to vote third party. People can whine about how it's unfair, but it still won't change anything. Do you really think spoiling your vote will show it to the big guys? Well guess what? Now they're no longer in power and the other side is rejoicing in their own victory. Meanwhile there are those who understand that they won't get everything that they want, but at least they won't have a side that will try to take away their rights by nominating and then confirming a right-wing justice to serve for life on the Supreme Court.

[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

It's a fundamental problem with a first-past-the-post voting system. Third parties act as spoilers. That's why I'm a proponent of ranked choice. It's not a panacea. It doesn't fix everything, but it removes the spoiler effect. Then people can vote their conscience with their first choice.

It's not a coincidence that the leadership of both parties hate it. They can't run a traditional campaign with wedge issues. Good. I'm tired of a divided country. The party leadership can suffer through appealing to a broad part of the electorate.

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[-] ebenixo@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

That's all they can come up? So he's still exponentially cleaner than your current set of warmongering, insider trading, union busting politicians. Your upvote shows you're just a right winger.

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[-] Pectin8747@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

If I'm going to have a crook in office, I'd rather they be a crook that awakens people to the issues that matter such as medicare for all and ending the drug war. The bar is just that low

[-] YaaAsantewaa 13 points 1 year ago

I was wondering when Democrats were going to get around to their smear campaigns against progressives. Looks like they're starting early this campaign season

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[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did he fuck a female slave of his and lie about the paternity of their love-child ?

Because prolly only like two or three POTUS on dollar bills did that.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

who gives a fuck? this is meaningless mudslinging to anyone who supports him.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Guess that helps explain how he ended up on the Republican payroll.

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