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[-] Uschteinheim@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I just recently discovered a band on Soundcloud that has amazing tracks but they all have the familiar feeling of good songs being listened to decades ago, with the voice of the singers similar to that of famous singers of all genres. This is the band in question. [(https://soundcloud.com/flowerpunkhobo)]

I think it's AI generated music from previous songs from the past.

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 249 points 1 week ago

From the article:

"...journalist Liz Pelly has conducted an in-depth investigation, and published her findings in Harper’s—they are part of her forthcoming book Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist.

...

"Now she writes:

'What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform.'

In other words, Spotify has gone to war against musicians and record labels."

[-] verstra@programming.dev 35 points 1 week ago

Can someone explain why this is bad? It seems like normal behaviour of corporations.

Or has spotify previously committed to being a fair market?

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

This is like a soup joint that's trying to see how much they can piss in the broth before customers notice.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

That would be a health hazard, so it's not really comparable.

It seems more like a soup joint using cheaper ingredients in their dishes, which is just... normal? I don't get what the big deal is.

[-] jonathan@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's normal if you accept it. You do not have to accept it. There's also a good chance that it's illegal in Spotify's case, if not in the US then likely in Europe.

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[-] Talaraine@fedia.io 38 points 1 week ago

The normal behavior of corporations IS bad. By definition.

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 170 points 1 week ago

I mean they paid Joe Rogan $100 million dollars so they have already wrecked their reputation.

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 67 points 1 week ago

Ngl, I canceled them and haven’t gone back since. Don’t really miss it much, I try to use the same cost as my subscription to buy music every month on CD when I can.

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have recently discovered Qobuz (French company). You can purchase digital music. They aren't cheap, but they have selection and hi-res music (sometimes 24 bit).

But good on you for the CDs, too!

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[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago

There's a reason why artists have to sell 50$ t-shirts at shows. Back in the days, the label would leech you dry, and now it's Spotify, on top of your label

[-] satanmat@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

Yes and…

Lily Allen and Kate Nash are on OnlyFans and make more money there…

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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For ease of reading, the investigation he refers to:

https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/

In short: fake artists with stock music (changing labels and other camouflage applied). Likely goal: to depreciate streaming counts for actual artists and increase profit margins.

What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform. The program’s name: Perfect Fit Content (PFC). The PFC program raises troubling prospects for working musicians. Some face the possibility of losing out on crucial income by having their tracks passed over for playlist placement or replaced in favor of PFC; others, who record PFC music themselves, must often give up control of certain royalty rights that, if a track becomes popular, could be highly lucrative. But it also raises worrying questions for all of us who listen to music. It puts forth an image of a future in which—as streaming services push music further into the background, and normalize anonymous, low-cost playlist filler—the relationship between listener and artist might be severed completely.

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[-] Sakychu 48 points 1 week ago

"Our single best hope is a cooperative streaming platform owned by labels and musicians."

Oh yeah that worked great with movie and television streaming. I really like to pay the same price for just a tenth of the selection..

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[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 48 points 1 week ago

Pirate the music, use ListenBrainz (which is FOSS) to analyze your listening behavior and make recommendations

[-] mac@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

My listenbrainz recs are kinda meh compared to last.fm. I scrobble to both, and maloja via multi-scrobbler.

What server do you use to host your music? Would love to set up one of the *arrs to auto download recs from the different scrobble databases and then delete them after a week or so if I don't "like" the track. Are you aware of any client can support that flow?

I will say, none of the scrobble DBs I have used have recommendations as good as Spotify. Daylists are pretty sweet. I do think the Spotify API is free to use but I havent taken a dive in on what I can get from it

[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

I don't know about spotify recommendations, but given the incredible amount of user data they have it makes a lot of sense that they have the best recommendations. I love LB for providing a FOSS alternative, and though they steadily grow, they are still comparatively tiny. But I think they are our best shot at noncorporate automated music recommendations.

For your questions, I have no idea. I'm not tech savvy at all myself.

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[-] datendefekt@feddit.org 42 points 1 week ago

After comparing the sound quality of Amazon, Spotify, Deezer and Tidal, the dynamic range of Tidal really stood out - even in lowest quality. At that time, I read that Tidal had the highest payout to the artists. I also like that the service is partially owned by several artists.

The recommendations and feeds are really top notch, just the right mix of stuff I know and like and nice surprises. The "Daily Discovery" often explores a certain genre or mood. There are so many cool bands I've found - also from genres I don't usually listen to. I can wholeheartedly recommend the service.

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[-] mattd@programming.dev 41 points 1 week ago

When some employees expressed concerns about this, Spotify managers replied (according to Pelly’s sources) that “listeners wouldn’t know the difference.”

Insulting your users, that always works out so well

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But I am grateful for independent journalism, which is now my main hope for the future.

Well guess who's in control of eyeballs on those journalists?

Social media companies, who have clear incentives to deprioritize such content and have repeatedly shown they do.

Let’s reclaim music from the technocrats. They have not proven themselves worthy of our trust.

While I agree with the article, I have issue with this line. These are not technocrats, they are "leaders" willing to make companies and their products objectively worse in the name of short term profits. These aren't 'technical experts put in charge,' they are greedy, spineless pigs.

[-] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

I have always been surprised that Spotify was so popular. I used them a while back and was abhorred with how shit the experience was. Stopped and never touched it again.

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[-] binom@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the german tv channel ARD actually published a three-part investigation into Spotify and Eventim middle of 2023 where they spotlighted this issue as well. it's a great watch if you understand german!

it's called Dirty Little Secrets

EDIT: here's episode two, the relevant one where they investigate what they call "ghost musicians"

[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I understand that it's a different model that will not work for everyone. But check out Bandcamp's payout model. Find new music via internet radio/MusicBrains (I don't remember RN the name of music exploration based on that)/yt and buy it via the model that is straightforward and at least seems to put the most money in artists' pockets

Bandcamp also has a "discover" feature where you can set which genres you are interested in. I did find some interesting albums this way too

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[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago

didn't they sue someone for doing this on his own? I guess they want to be the only ones doing it.

[-] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

Many of my friends use it. I'm old school and just keep a collection of mp3s on multiple devices for backup.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Spotify was my penultimate subscription. Still have to bring my AWS Lightsail instances back in house. :(

Yeah, enshitification indeed. Was quite happy 4 years ago. Worth $10/mo. to get what I want and some new stuff occasionally thrown in. Suggested music tracked my tastes, easy UI, all that.

Then they upped it $1. Fine. Then I started getting all sort of bullshit when my playlist ran out. "Fuck was that?!"

Now that I cancelled the paid version, the ads are killing me. Look, I'm a GenXer, accustomed to ads for free TV and radio. I'm fine with that revenue model. But fuck me, just like modern radio, the ads became so thick as to be distracting. And of course I can't use it in the deep woods where my internet is sketchy.

I download all my playlists. FOSS I can use to upload and play that on my phone? Guess I'm back to pirating.

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