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Subtitle: Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors

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[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 206 points 3 days ago

Immigrants are the backbone and lifeblood of America.

Nazis are the opposite and offer nothing but bile and self-loathing.

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

They're the leukemia poisoning the marrow.

[-] Late2TheParty@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

I mean, Nazis are good for kindling, right?

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 3 days ago

Eh....I really wouldn't want to smell all that fat.

They are good guillotine tests.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

BLOOD FOR THE TREE OF LIBERTY!

SKULLS FOR THE NATO BASE FOUNDATIONS!

KILL KILL KILL!

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

With their lack of melanin they do tend to burn easily.

[-] SilverCode@lemm.ee 101 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

members of the group pointed guns at cars and told people to “go the fuck back to Africa”

Wow, way to highlight that you are a completely ignorant douchebag

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 days ago

why, it's easy: "Not white, not Chinese then Africa!"

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

"Charitably", I assume because they're massive racists that they're referring to the West and Central African origins of Haitians as an ethnic group and not confusing where Haiti is, but Nazis still deserve to be jailed over their disgusting ideology regardless of if they know what continent Haiti is on.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 66 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You know what Nazis bring to your town? Garbage. I don't know why this is difficult. The Nazi symbol should be banned from all public use and Nazis should be arrested and held as enemies of the state.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

enemies of the state

Arresting enemies of the state?

Well, the Nazis would certainly agree with that.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

You're assuming they want to apply rules consistently and fairly. When the out-group is them, they'll whine about freeze peach until we tolerate their intolerance.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The Problem is that we shift the talking point from "we shouldn't arrest people for their political opinion" to "which political opinion should we arrest" which is exactly what the Nazis want

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No they don't, this has been discussed to death and you are very wrong.

Fascism is not just another political opinion that involves genocide. It is a genocide threat that involves voting. If you're going to make a credible threat, expect physical defense.

If you're actually serious, please take a moment to consider that you are spreading Nazi propaganda.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Lovely concept, but that's not how it works. If we imprison Nazis for their opinion being "against the state" it's a short way from imprisoning communists. Afterall, communists killed more people than fascists, so we should also arrest them. Starting to see how this in the Nazis interest?

Them we get to the debate to be about "violent" immigrants or "vile" [insert enemy nationality]. Why should immigrants and enemies get better treatment than our own people? So they go as well.

I'll just leave this here: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/als-die-nazis-die-kommunisten-holten

Don't be stupid: Don't normalize prosecuting political opponents. All it takes then is for them to get 1(one) election and the oppression will simply change to you. And then it's game over.

Instead build a societal agreement that political prosecution and other fascist methods are bad. So that when the fascists try to employ them, the population won't simply play along.

Yes, I assume all sovereign nations have laws against enemies of the state. Ours are specified in the constitution. The sentencing is laid out in or laws as well. Existing as a NAZI doesn't qualify, but acting as a NAZI very well might qualify you depending on the acts.

[-] Samvega 38 points 3 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

Stochastic terrorism is political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric which is directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric.[2]

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

This isn't stochastic terrorism. This is just terrorism. They are trying to terrorize the Haitians into leaving Springfield:

In December, a Springfield man was sentenced to 20 years in federal jail for hate crimes after attacking eight Haitians earlier in 2023. Last year, the local Haitian church was broken into and damaged twice. Longtime Black residents of Springfield have reported being verbally abused when walking on the city’s streets, having been confused with members of the Haitian community.

[-] Samvega 13 points 3 days ago

The stochastic terrorism is the wild claims infrahumanising certain groups on social media. Then someone decides to act on those claims, and the people who posted them say "I had no idea that would happen".

Rinse and repeat until you've made the world worse, then die with lots of money.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Right, but we're at the acting stage now. It's now just straight up terrorism.

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