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Schenker shows off a Linux laptop prototype with Snapdragon X Elite at Computex 2024 (liliputing.com)

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[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 32 points 5 months ago

there’s been a lot of concern that Snapdragon X-based PCs might be locked down to Windows, and while it remains unclear just how easy it will be to install a GNU/Linux distribution on a Snapdragon X PC that ships with Windows, it’s nice to know that at least one company is looking to release a model that will come with Linux pre-installed.

What does that mean? Are they not using UEFI?

I just hope they use Coreboot.

Btw are there any FOSS Coreboot compatible ARM Chromebooks worth looking at?

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Coreboot is for x86-64. ARM usually uses U-Boot.

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Not true. For example Libreboot currently supports 2 ARM laptops. The way I understand it is that Libreboot uses U-boot as an extra bootloader, kinda like you would run GRUB after UEFI. U-boot can also just work on it's own and Coreboot ARM devices are rather the exception.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I'd argue chain loading coreboot/libreboot from u-boot isn't really "supporting it" as much as it's just extending it, but fair enough. In the end it's still using u-boot with extra steps.

[-] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Coreboot uses U-boot as payload meaning it's the other way around. (at least that's how I understand it) I worded poorly what I meant.

[+] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 10 points 4 months ago

I never understood why booting arm is such a pain. I mean I get that the current situation is that it is a pain but I don't get why this is the situation.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Mobile devices usually run iOS or Android which have their own dedicated boot loader. Embedded devices usually just boot directly into the main storage.

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 5 points 4 months ago

Especially with android I don't get it. Every vendor has to maintain their own boot loader and modify the aosp code just to get it to boot on their devices. Is it just to avoid people slapping their own os on their phones?

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Second one. Can't have user choice now can we

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I think UEFI was something that took a while to be standardized and mostly because of Intel’s influence over it, while ARM seems more diverse both in manufacturers and types of devices. When things are decentralized it becomes much more difficult to get everyone on board of something.

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I guess but bios was a thing way before uefi and while it apparently also was a pain because people implemented it differently it did work.

Afaik the mein problem with arm is the discoverability of the hardware on the bus. For x86 it's pretty dynamic but arm needs something called a device tree.

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 4 months ago

Linux was ready for ARM years ago.

Sad that we need to wait for Windows to get support first so manufacturers and chip makers start to care.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

And Linux/ARM is still liable to be a blip, once RISC-V takes off.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Let's hope we also getting GPU drivers unlike on those cheaper SBCs...

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 22 points 5 months ago

If TuxedoComputers are working on it, there is faith that they'll do a good job :)

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

i'm glad to know that tuxedo computers is doing it and now i know where my next purchase is going to be.

[-] Duxon@feddit.de 21 points 5 months ago

Nice Windows key

[-] ylai@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Likely due to being a prototype. Production laptops from Tuxedo tend to have the “TUX” penguin in a circle logo on the Super key by default. They also have been offering custom engraved keyboard (even with the entire keyboard engraved from scratch to the customer’s specifications) as added service, so probably there will be suppliers or production facility to change the Super key.

By the way, there was one YouTube channel that ended up ordering a laptop with Windings engraving from them: https://youtu.be/nidnvlt6lzw?t=186

[-] Archaeopteryx@kbin.run 11 points 5 months ago

Nice. My next Laptop will be a MNT Reform, but if the performance of the Schenker/Tuxedo ARM laptop is right I wouldn't be averse to buying one as well.

[-] Pekka@feddit.nl 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This looks great. That would be quite a powerful low-weight machine with long battery life. If they won't be too expensive (and gaming works on them) I might get one. At least RuneLite seems to already support ARM64 on Linux and these chips also put more spotlight on ARM trough Windows on ARM.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago

Well you will VERY likely need FEX for "Gaming" (if you talk about x86_64 proprietary Windows software)

I am sure Xonotic and others are already available on ARM Linux.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

Nice. A lot of Linux laptops seem sold locked to the inferior ISO keyboard instead of ANSI.

[-] exu@feditown.com 5 points 4 months ago

Big ass enter is way better than the small one.
You can't change my mind.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I always hit the slash instead and the short shift messes me up too. although I switched to grid aligned 1u keys for everything recently and other boards were put up for free for a month or so and anything unclaimed went to the electronics pile at the transfer station.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I’m sure the future RSI from reaching your pinky that far from the home row will agree

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

QWERTY is the only keyboard layout that matters (for most languages).

[-] princessnorah 9 points 4 months ago

Okay, and? The person you replied to you is talking about ISO versus ANSI layouts... which define the rest of the keys on a keyboard. They were talking about QWERTY. So clearly there are other keyboard layouts that matter.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

What even are these layouts? Macintosh ones?

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 11 points 4 months ago

It dictates the location and size of certain keys.

For example the needlessly large enter key on ISO or the annoyingly small left shift key in ISO. You could very likely prefer ANSI as well.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

But the character key layout is still QWERTY

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 10 points 4 months ago

Yes however you're the only one talking about the alphanumeric keys.

[-] herrvogel@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Keyboards have two layouts: a physical layout and a logical layout. The physical layout defines what the keyboard looks like, and the logical layout defines what signal each key sends to the computer. Qwerty is a logical layout, ISO and ANSI are physical layouts. Qwerty keyboards exist commonly in both ISO and ANSI layouts.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Oh ok now I get it. Thanks for explaining

[-] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

pretty sweet. wonder what the price will be.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago

Prototypes can go for several million

[-] Gaul_Tux@kafeneio.social 4 points 4 months ago

@ylai my next laptop....Just need to find income

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