As an American that came from Reddit I completely agree. I never went to r/politics on Reddit for the same reason. Sixteen posts about some stupid shit Trump did or bullshit about Hunter Biden that I could not give two shits about. "Hunter Biden has porn! How scandalous!" While there is literally fucking riots and wars going on around the world because of political issues.
I see US politics as the biggest reality show ever produced. Nothing is about governing just shitting on the people from the other side.
All articles and discussion are about what the other side is doing wrong (hint: everything).
Kayfabe.
Thanks for the new word. Interesting etymology.
Exactly what I thought.
Thats is politics on the same level as me calling you a stupid poopface. Political in a sense that everything is political but nothing more.
I agree. The name is really US-centrist. Not giving good vibes.
Bitch, other countries use english too. No country should have dibs on general words to represent something that conserns, in this case, only one country.
I have noticed the same thing about US government websites end in .gov I think no government should have that privledge. Other governments use english too. Could US officials take their head out of their asses and use an ending like .usgov
Well Americans did develop most of the advances and the first internet is from DARPA. Would seem to make sense that they took the .gov TLD. I doubt they even knew how popular it would become. Can you really be upset about that?
Also please look at this link on the TLD and noticed it was established in 1985 and administered by the US itself.
IRC there's a museum in Paris which proudly shows all the inventions made by the French. It's worth a visit, simply because you'll likely have been taught plenty of them were American inventions. If you're a Brit, you'll have been taught many of those same inventions were British.
Jingoism and claiming inventions go hand in hand.
So if you visit a French museum and exhibit on the internet, they'd likey focus on Rémi Després, who was cited by Kahn and Cerf in their paper which IRC proposed the concept of TCP/IP. If you visit a British museum, they'll spend more time discussing Tim Berners-Lee and the world wide web. A Russian museum might mention Sary Shagan, who helped develop computer networks in the 1950s or they might mention OGAS a 1960s plan for a nationwide computer network.
It's the same for things like radio, the telephone, mobile telephones or television. Depending on who you ask, the country that invented it changes.
The reality is often more nuanced and complicated.
Great work on following up with examples, very informative.
It is doubtful that any meaningful research can be attested to a single country since globalisation. Every technological marvel you see is the result of international research collaborations from dozens of universities, institutes and corporations around the world. It's very egocentric to assume that the U.S. is the only or the dominant motor of innovation.
I don’t disagree with you, but it doesn’t negate that the first “Internet” was a US military project which was then taken over by predominately US universities and they created the TLD in 1985 before another country did.
Or .gov.us, like every other country uses their tld, like .gov.uk. Only the US is conceited enough to not use their own tld.
It looks like you do get first dibs on shizzle you invent. The UK is the only country that does not put the name of the country on their postage stamps, because when they started using them there was no other issuer.
I agree but looking at the community's avatar and intro I think it is a lost cause.
"Welcome migrating redditors to the new US political news community. "
But it's not in the url and it's not in the name.
Again, I agree but the mention of reddit tells me they are just trying to recreate r/politics in the fediverse.
When I first saw m/politics I knew it would be US centric.
The saddest thing I see here is people creating clones of subs, making themselves the mod and the subs lie empty as they don't want to actually create content just be a mod. They are not creating a community, they are just name squatting.
I doubt it'd even due to cloning. It's just due to how Americans refer to politics. America is much more insulted from world events, so world politics is less talked about except in how it affects America. News stations, media, television, academia, everything, generally refers to it as "politics".
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules. It's mob mentality and censorship. It is in violation of the fediverse principles. I even agree the naming convention would be better, but I don't think it should happen unless the admins make a rule.
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules.
What?
I don't see any pitchforks being waved in the thread.
Can you point to a comment that even vaguely suggests what you claim?
It's mob mentality and censorship.
What?
Asking (politely) a sub name to reflect its content is mob mentality and censorship.?
What are you talking about? No one is saying "Delete this channel", but rather "Either change the name of the channel to USpolitics or remove the rule that forbids discussing non-US politics in the 'politics' channel".
If you think that asking for the bare minimum fairness that the name "politics" shouldn't be a default of the US, your problem isn't that your country is being treated unfairly, but rather that you want your country to be treated with privilege.
Petition the admins to create community rules. Otherwise I see no issue. I don't follow it, but I also don't think you can steam roll a community that hasn't broken any rules simply because of your feelings.
Yes finally good thread. Please don't just copy and paste reddit communities like this. This is an international community, so if you want to discuss US politics, name it like this at least. We don't need to copy the dumb stuff from reddit.
But wait what’s going to happen to !anime_titties@lemmy.world then?
Hopefully it will die and something like /geopolitics will take over.
I call it RCS (reddit clone syndrome).
Rather than let this place grow organically and have its own traditions and in jokes a group of people seem determined to make a clone of the place they recently left.
The name swapping was funny, but it was never practical. Many people who should find it or want to find it ended up not. Not only is there a name barrier, there's also a barrier to them just clicking away or not engaging. World politics should be the more visible one compared to US politics anyway. Many people, especially Americans, would benefit from learning what politics is like in other parts of the world.
Only good things. It's name will represent what's posted - quality content
Oh dang I forgot about that sub!
Someone make a USpolitics sub but with politics about the whole world except the US
USpolitics for world politics, THEMpolitics for American politics.
According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, lemmy.world isn't even hosted in the US, but instead in Africa.
The creator is a Netherlender.
What if... There happens an uprising and people just start using this community for wold politics? Would be cool first lemmy sub drama
Totally agree. Either change it to something like USPolitics@lemmy.world or change the focus to world politics. There is so much more stuff going on around the globe politically, having everything 'default' to the US is such a myopic point of view.
Honestly, as an American I agree. If we need to have a rule stating articles must ONLY be about US politics then the community should be called US Politics. It just makes sense. What we have now is like peeling the labels off of the cans in a pantry. You have to open the can to find out if it's corn or tomato soup. I'd rather just know what's in the can at a glance instead.
No
Petition the admins to create rules and apply them retroactively. Otherwise any other attempt to force your will is in violation of the fediverse. The community did not break any rules and sometimes shit sucks. Feelings don't get you what you want. I agree the naming convention would be better. But it's still entirely arbitrary. Shouldn't a community just called "politics" discuss political science and the concept of politics? It didn't say "worldpolitics" either. If someone created a "baseball" community and dedicated it to US baseball, I'd agree the name isn't the best, but there are no names. Lemmy.world said it's open to anyone. It never said it's communities needed to follow any arbitrary naming conventions.
You're right. It would be better. But a lot of things would be better in the world. Create a world politics community elsewhere. Everyone complaining about one single instance are not understanding the fediverse to begin with.
Gonna give you the bad news up front.
Doesn't matter what the missions statement is, the majority of the content is going to be about America. You'd probably be better off talking about making "World Politics" and even then you still might have to ban US specific politics.
Also you better be left wing, because it's going to be VERY left wing.
I didn't agree when people tried to insist subreddits with certain names should be obligated to try to be as nuetral an interpretation of their names as possible, but here on lemmy, this concern is even more silly.
On reddit, another /r/politics couldn't be made, and there was a valid argument that they were preventing anyone else from using the generic name more appropriately, essentially holding it hostage. But, I already didn't think it was a big enough deal to really matter, many other possible names continued to be available for a more generic subreddit.
Here on lemmy this is a complete non-issue. You can make a /c/politics on any instance you like, and you can start your own instance if you don't like any available. The only difference would be subscribers and participation, but the subscribers that are here are here for a US politics sub, that's what it was when they joined, changing it would not be ok with many of them.
If you want a world politics community with subscribers you have to start one and get people to join.
And lemmy.world is just the instance name, it has no indication of theme for the communities it hosts
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