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[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 76 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Why exactly did a telecom company need SSNs anyway?

Edited to add, this was a rhetorical question and more a comment on the awful series of systems in the USA that leads a SSN to be used by telecom companies.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 39 points 5 months ago

To collaborate more effectively with the NSA and CIA.

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Credit checks.

Nowadays they offer financing for devices. But even in the past it was required. They would determine the maximum number of lines you had available, and if there were any deposits to open new lines of service. Even before phone financing, those phone contracts came with hundreds of dollars of phone discounts at time of purchase and had hundreds of dollars worth of early termination fees and they want to make sure their customers had a good chance of paying if they left.

[-] prayer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Most people get suckered into signing a contract and using a "postpaid" plan, where you get the service for a month and then pay for it. That requires a credit check and credit reporting, since you get the service before payment. You don't have to give out your SSN if you sign up for "prepaid" cell phone plans, which offer less discounts and benefits but are generally cheaper for the service they provide. The only catch is you pay for the month before you use it, but this makes canceling as easy as stopping payment.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago
[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I think it's related maybe to some anti terrorism law? In certain EU countries for example it's impossible to get an anonymous SIM due to some anti terrorism legislation. SSNs are the only legal identification I guess?

This is a random guess off the top of my head. IANAL or know anything specific on US law.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

SSN isn't supposed to be used as a form of ID. Even says so on an SS card.

[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah, about that.

[-] BenGFHC@kbin.social 8 points 5 months ago

What's IANAL? Is it some new Apple product I don't know about yet?

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
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[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

To run credit checks and be in compliance with anti-terrorism regulations.

[-] Specal@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

But there's no need to store them in what I assume to be plain text, this is negligence

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 62 points 5 months ago

I have been informed my SSN, DOB, and payment information have been "compromised" at least 50 times in my life.

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[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 48 points 5 months ago

Fight Club had it backwards. Instead of attacking the banks to wipe out people’s credit someone should release everyone’s SSN. The mass fraud will make credit useless.

[-] ArtVandalist@lemmus.org 9 points 5 months ago

Let's evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

[-] wagoner@infosec.pub 7 points 5 months ago

This is brilliant. The government could put out a searchable database.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

It's almost like the gov should replace the SSN system with something that addresses modern security concerns.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

Social Security Numbers were never meant to be used for anything other than Social Security itself. Credit agencies use the SSN because they view it as an easy identifier and they didn't have to create anything themselves.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

It's ridiculous how something that is supposed to be very confidential and kept private is asked everywhere you need services.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It was never supposed to be confidential. That need arose as a direct result of using it as an ID. If the SSA was the only organization using the number, (as originally intended,) then it wouldn’t need to be kept confidential.

But when the SSA gave every single person a unique number, other organizations went “hmm this sure would be convenient for differentiating individuals with similar names and DOBs.” So other organizations started using it for identification, and suddenly you needed to keep the number secret because anyone with your number could ID themselves as you.

The SSA needs to publish a public database of every single name, DOB, and SSN. Force organizations to figure out a new system of identification, instead of relying on an insecure and outdated system.

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 17 points 5 months ago

But then I can't google my number when I forget.

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[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Good chance these were already leaked with the equifax debacle.

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago

Tried to delete my shit from their website, but they make it impossible to do so. I tried for about 20 minutes then eventually the site straight up refused to let me continue. I don't even have AT&T anymore, I had their cellular back in 2013 and left them then, but the fuckers kept my info in their system this whole fucking time. No accountability for big corporations when they fuck up big like this. If it were one of us peasants, we would have been in prison for life.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago

I think the problem is there isn't any law protecting your data

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

And that's a huge problem. Only form of protection I have is freezing my credit with the three credit reporting assholes. I know it's not much, but at least no one can apply for shit with my social.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago

It actually gives you quite a bit of protection. If you don't have a open credit they can't open cards in your name.

Just remember it is frozen

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[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

The SSA should just set a time limit, (let’s say 3 years,) and then publish a database of every single name, DOB, and SSN. Force the banks to figure out a new system of identification, by making the current system useless.

The current system is already insecure; SSNs were never intended to be secure. So why has the SSA tolerated this for so long? Just make the “in three years we’ll publish this live database for anyone to search” announcement, so banks are forced to develop a better system. It gives them the time to work on a new system, eliminates the need to keep SSNs secret, and the SSA can keep operating as normal.

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[-] drwho@beehaw.org 18 points 5 months ago

I have so much "free credit monitoring" from data breaches, I could leave it to my grandkids and they'd be set for life.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Mine is 075-21-9556 in case anyone wants it.

[-] Vladkar@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago
[-] 0oWow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Interesting, your SSN matches my phone number.

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[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hey, wait a minute! That one's mine, too!

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

I have your IP and your SSN

Hands up

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 points 5 months ago

I keep reading "social security number", but still don't understand why it's possible to steal a person's identity with their SSN. Is that all that's required for identification? Some number?

[-] miracleorange@beehaw.org 6 points 5 months ago

Basically. It wasn't meant to act as an identification, but people kept using it that way (probably because every citizen gets one at birth, so it's the easiest proof of citizenship).

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It's a key component. You need other information, but the SSN is supposed to be secret.

[-] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

Getting names, emails, addresses, etc is pretty available. If you can link those up + an SSN you can open accounts pretty easily

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Damn... that seems like a pretty bad system. Have there not been attempts to remedy that?

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[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 9 points 5 months ago

Compensations should be paid out, watch how security grows

[-] franklin@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Is there any way we could do some sort of certificate based authentication? Instead of a social security number. I know people get really dodgy whenever you talk about ways to identify them but there has to be a better way than this.

Identity fraud can ruin your life permanently and at this point I'm pretty sure more people have been compromised than haven't.

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Bill Gates has been trying for awhile.

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[-] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 5 months ago

and this is why i refused to give you my social back when i lived in your service area and had a land line installed.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 6 points 5 months ago

Will there be consequences??

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

SSNs are not secure and were never intended to be used that way. Just because companies misuse it for security to cut costs and apply credit ratings we never voted for doesn't mean we should necessarily punish someone for leaking that data that is already like 99% public data because of all the previous leaks. It would be better if everyone treated it as public data and not some secret identity key. They should be punished for poor security and fix their shit, but SSNs are not private, not intended to be used for identity, and not secure.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

whoopsie doopsie!

ssns are probably useless by this point. cant wait for these people to leak our biometric data next, so we cant even change our 'passwords' anymore.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago

Everyone's data is now public knowledge

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