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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

That explains the Chinese revolution, the Mexican revolution, hell the French revolution too :)

[-] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

three pre-cold war examples

did you want to try again?

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When your government botches an election in such a spectacular way, it is expected that the population would react in any country. I don't know where you live, but if some protofascist steals an election e.g. Bolsonaro/Trump, we will both be out there rioting with good reason, it won't be because the CIA paid us.

[-] Eril@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

Or in other words: Potential protesters are not sitting at home like "Oh man, I so want to protest this shit, but the CIA didn't pay me yet, so I can't :("

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Sure. The Velvet Revolution.

Or are you going to claim that Czechs and Slovaks have no self-determination? I'm sure some here will be willing to chime in and tell you otherwise.

[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It certainly helps to explain America's long history of regime change and destabilisation initiatives

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Therefore stolen elections by leftists are allowed forever.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It's not even a leftist thing, the U.S. opposes right-wing power grabs and coups abroad as well, and has for at least two decades.

[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

by leftists

Nah, only the right are allowed to steal elections, you win.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

no, those we agree on, it is you who are inconsistent and consider "leftist" coups good for some ideological reason.

[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

we

We = US/Nato + poodles and sycophants

The only reason "we" care is because of oil. If you think it is anything to do with democracy I'd like to remind you that the tooth fairy comes at 8.00pm

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Speaking of oil, wouldn't it be good if one of the nations extracting some of the dirtiest oil that can be extracted couldn't sell it so easily what with climate change and all?

Hey, that's already happening with Venezuela!

Yes yes, I know, whatabout whatabout whatabout America? Make it harder for America to sell oil too. I won't complain.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fuck oil. Venezuela's is meant to stay in the ground anyway, not ramp up, we're already at 1.5C. I guess that is a good reason to support Maduro's retardedness.

[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Fuck oil

'murica's war machine would be severely impeded without oil. Also controlling the flow of oil affects the ability of countries the US doesn't like to defend themselves from aggression

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