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No woman, anywhere in the world, should ever be required to wear any of these. Humans should be respected to make their own personal choices.
Sure, but many women choose to wear these and that’s fine if that’s what they want to do.
It's also worn out of fear. People falsly believe it protects you from sexual assault.
Sure, but the vast majority of people wear it because it part of their religion and they want to.
I’m not religious in the slightest, but I support people’s right to choose.
We never seem to see people complaining about what nuns wear, which I find to be a double standard.
Different context. Nuns wear their costume when they are serving. That's why you don't see nuns in full dress at Walmart.
But I see women in full burkas (always with their husband, of course) struggling in everyday situations.
If the religion requires it, it's a terribly oppressive one. These women "chose" not to face consequences, so they wear it. That's why there are international protests by women who call to reject these fabric cages.
No. Majority of women wear it because of sexist opression. They don't have the real choice of not wearing it even if they believe they wear it "because I want to".
Also, using nuns is not a valid argument, because
Neither do I care what people wear. I'm just stating a misleading factor behind the attire.
Also, I never see nuns in public.
Do you even Sister Act?
Edit:
Came back to add a serious element to the comment. I worked at a gas station for years right near a Catholic Church. I knew all of the nuns, and I can’t speak on the tradition everywhere, but I never seen them wearing their nun gear.
I wouldn’t have even known they were nuns if I wasn’t told. The one I got tight with had a short haircut and wore blue jeans and flannel. I always assumed she worked on a farm somewhere nearby or something until she told me she was a nun. My family was struggling and I was talking to a friend about coming up with the money for my electric bill. She overheard me and asked me to stop by her church and fill out a form. She told me she was a nun when I met her at the church.
That is so sweet. That's the wholesome shit I needed to hear today.
That's because they can fly.
Choose to because otherwise they get kicked from the family?
I would argue those are the minority of cases.
Choose and Required are opposites.
I see plenty of Muslim women without them, indicating it’s a choice for most.
Not in countries controlled by religion.
So the issue isn’t religion its authoritarianism in these countries.
Perhaps, we should fight against that rather than the garments in question, no?
I don't believe you.
You just gotta have faith! O_o
Exactly! The only reason religion exists is to control the population.
What's the market look like for these? Homemade to top tier brands?
This is not true of every part of islamic culture, but there's an anti-western focus that is a part of a lot of cultural traditions. The idea for a lot is that if a Kafar (effectively, a sinner/etc) is involved, you shouldn't be, so that rules out most top tier brands. I'm way out of date because I'm not close to that world anymore, but every once in awhile, you'd see a major player throw something out... Like adidas had a line for a minute that they tried to make a big deal, but I never saw any big brands that you'd recognize in any Islamic shops and I never knew anyone who had even heard that was happening beyond me. Most of the girls I knew stuck to Hijabs which are incredibly simple, it's basically a four cornered sheet of cloth that you wrap around your head real fancy, so the focus was mostly on type of fabric and patterning, not a lot of room to establish higher tiers of hijabs/etc.
Branding as a whole kind of goes against the concept of the head coverings too.
I’ve no idea. I’m not religious so don’t really know.
I imagine you can get various tiers from cheap -> expensive.
Nobody should be allowed to say Allah without protest. If somebody says Allah in casual conversation, they should be met with scoffs, eye-rolls, and dirty looks. Muslims should say ilah instead.
Allah.
Ew.
While I typically try to avoid divisive comments in these light-hearted communities, this is a fairly informative one, especially in the context of etymology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology
We should also not be condoning scoffing at someone based on their understanding. Perhaps these could be opportunities to educate people that are unfamiliar with the differences.
I am very happy for Muslims to talk about their ilah. But when they say Allah, they are choosing to say the other gods are fake for no reason. We could be having a completely unrelated conversation about, say, Ramadan, and the Muslim just has to say "by the way your gods are fake" in a single word just to be an asshole. It's rude. It's mean. It's unnecessary.
I think a lot of people downvoted my comment because they don't understand Arabic etymology and they think I'm being Islamophobic. But this isn't about Islam, it's about the way many Muslims choose to talk about every other religion. And yes, many Muslims don't know the etymology of the word either. Which is why they should be educated and told to do better. Allah is a slur. We should make it clear it's not acceptable to say in polite company.
I also hate it when Christians choose to use "god" as a proper noun. I've got in lots of fights with people on Lemmy about that.
Allah damnit
Gross
Mā schā' Allāh
There's more than one, you ding dong. Why do you have to start a debate about the number of gods out of nowhere?