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submitted 7 months ago by breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world

Ms. Soussana, 40, is the first Israeli to speak publicly about being sexually assaulted during captivity after the Hamas-led raid on southern Israel. In her interviews with The Times, conducted mostly in English, she provided extensive details of sexual and other violence she suffered during a 55-day ordeal.

Ms. Soussana’s personal account of her experience in captivity is consistent with what she told two doctors and a social worker less than 24 hours after she was freed on Nov. 30. Their reports about her account state the nature of the sexual act; The Times agreed not to disclose the specifics.

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For months, Hamas and its supporters have denied that its members sexually abused people in captivity or during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack. This month, a United Nations report said that there was “clear and convincing information” that some hostages had suffered sexual violence and there were “reasonable grounds” to believe sexual violence occurred during the raid, while acknowledging the “challenges and limitations” of examining the issue.

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[-] nac82@lemm.ee 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Now, write an individual article for each child starved to death or bombed by Israel. I can't muster the energy to care about a single rape in the middle of a genocide.

We have rape kits in Texas that have gone untested for over a decade. If rape was important to the people enacting justice, we have a long list to get through before we can start worrying about rapes in warzones.

But justice isn't the intent behind articles like this. They want to justify the genocide with individual crimes.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago

That's bullshit. There are many news articles literally every single day about the civilians killed in Gaza. Meanwhile, on Lemmy, you have people still denying that Hamas sexually tortured women captured on October 7. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

In my opinion, there is a huge difference between civilian collateral damage during a military operation and the use of rape as a weapon of war. We xan argue about how much force Israel is using and whether X amount of collateral damage is acceptable. But gratuitously raping people has no legitimate purpose, military or otherwise. It serves to sow terror and incite retaliation, which is why Hamas did it.

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

civilian collateral damage

Nazis can fuck off.

This is exactly what I'm calling out, using individual crimes to justify genocide.

You won't even accurately address the crimes because they are so heinous.

We are talking about genocide. Starving children is in no way a military operation so you can suck that lie back up your ass.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Cutting off aid to Gaza in order to starve out the militants hiding in the civilian population is at least a plausible justification. Again, we can debate whether Israel has taken it too far, but using siege tactics doesn't make someone a Nazi. Nice try.

But what is your justification for raping people?

[-] mute@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago

By your twisted and fucked up logic, raping people is a justifiable military operation: you rape enough people some of them ought to be military personnel and it causes irreparable harm that may dissuade them to continue fighting.

Rape, civilian casualties, killing children….all of them are unacceptable. Now fuck off you nazi piece of shit.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago
[-] nac82@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

You're still a nazi bro?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 15 points 7 months ago

Uh... What Israel is doing is 100%, undebatable a war crime. As occupiers they have a responsibility under international law to provide food and other life necessities to the people of Gaza. That doesn't change with the addition of an insurgency.

[-] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Whatever. The point of the article is that Hamas committed many acts of rape and torture on Oct 7. You guys don't like that narrative so you are trying to draw me off topic by focusing on Israel's crimes and making a false equivalence between overzealous military tactics and rape-happy terrorists. These are the kind of people that Hamas recruits. Think about it. Hamas is the enemy of civilization, not your friendly neighbourhood Starbucks revolutionary.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 7 months ago

The point of the article is that Hamas committed many acts of rape and torture on Oct 7. You guys don’t like that narrative so you are trying to draw me off topic by focusing on Israel’s crimes and making a false equivalence between overzealous military tactics and rape-happy terrorists.

I won't engage with you anymore, but at least Hamas has the basic decency to not shoot children. Israel sure as hell doesn't.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Whatever. The point of the ~~article~~ argument I'm ignoring is that ~~Hamas~~ Israel committed many acts of ~~rape and torture on~~ genocide since Oct 7. You guys don't like that narrative so you are trying to draw me off topic by focusing on ~~Israel's crimes~~ a single instance of rape and making a false equivalence between ~~overzealous~~ genocidal military tactics and alleged rape-happy terrorists (with plenty of refuted accusations). These are the kind of people that ~~Hamas~~ Israel recruits. Think about it. ~~Hamas~~ Israel is the enemy of civilization, not your friendly neighbourhood Starbucks revolutionary

Fixed your bad argument for you.

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