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Regardless that's the choice in front of every moderate. Either they can join us in telling Biden to vow to veto any attempts to block a strike in his next term and stop shipping weapons to Israel or they can lose to fascists. We compromised and helped get Biden elected in the 2020 general. If they want our help again it's time for the moderates to compromise.
Will he though? (stop supporting their war)
If you wanted to force Biden to stop supporting a war, you'd do it with the vote. He'd have to change his policies to better reflect the majority, or his supporters. But in this case, it's him or fuck.
Since there's only two choices, the non fuck followers aren't going to vote for fuck, so that only leaves Biden. I don't believe he has to change anything.
And yes, I believe it's totally acceptable and reasonable to not like either choice in this matter. In a system of only two choices, each choice can and often does have cons, as well as pros. To think one side is infallible would be unreasonable. I hate both parties, but for largely different reasons.
Not going to vote for fuck, but I don't like Biden either.
Also, what if a person likes workspace safety and collective bargaining, but dislikes watching shitty, lazy employees not get fired and hold up good positions protected by union reps and policies? So it is morally compromising to not like part of unions? What about the moral compromising of shitty employees being a drain on a company and all its employees (not just the top rich bastards)? What if I don't support that?
So you recognize Biden isn't compromising with the leftists and progressives he's depending on to get elected. Who will you blame if he loses in 2024? Will you blame moderates as the majority voting bloc for electing a trash candidate in the primaries? Will you blame Joe Biden for being a trash candidate? Or will you blame progressives and leftists for voting 3rd party or writing in?
I see where your head's at a little, but I will blame him mostly.
As the elected representative, it's his job to represent the voters, population, community, etc. and make decisions the represent those voters or their best interests. If he isn't being reelected, then he has failed to do that satisfactory enough to maintain their confidence.
If he doesn't get the fence/middle/republocrats, then there is something wrong, especially when he's up against a fuck.
Will I blame the voters? Some. The society should only elect people that best represent their values. Americans choices are only these two. If we elect a fuck, either the other choice was terrible, or the people are terrible, or both.
All I'm seeing is you trying real hard to straddle two different ways of treating voters. When moderates elect a garbage candidate in the primaries you're "super irritated". But you have nothing negative to say about moderate voters. No lectures. No wisdom. Nothing.
But when progressives and leftists start talking about the way they'll vote in the general here you are to impart your opinion on all of us.
If you're gonna spend time and energy lecturing progressives and leftists for refusing to vote for Biden in the general then you should be spending twice as much energy lecturing moderates for making a shitty choice in the primaries.
Ha, I think you misunderstood. I'm not lecturing progressives and leftists for refusing to vote for Biden. I don't care. Vote however you need.
I originally said something because the flawed strawman comments were berating disagreement over simplified into unionsupport, and wages.
lol. What a waste of time.
It is if you're only interested in supporting your own narrative.
I'm not here to prove anything to you and I don't really give a shit about your college level understanding of logical fallacies. I'm here for one reason and one reason only: To voice my disapproval with strike blocking, genocide supporting pro-corporate trash Joe Biden. Why? Because when he loses in 2024 people will clutch their chests and be like "Woe is me! How could this happen?? If only there was some way this could have been avoided?"
And that's when I'll gesture back at the thousands of conversations here where people said things like:
And the thousands and thousands of replies just like yours coming up with all sorts of reasons to disagree as if it were up for debate. You know what will be missing? Any moderate going "Yeah you know what, I think Trump is a bigger risk than what would happen if the rail strike had happened." Or "Clearly beating Trump is the priority so Biden should stop supplying arms to Israel."
The fact that this is happening nowhere means moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives. And as the majority voting bloc for Democrats they will have the lions share of the responsibility when Biden loses.
I don't care if you agree with my narrative. All I'm here to do is make sure nobody can claim we didn't put this message on blast. Moderates will have no excuse.
Sorry, missed the primary. Yes, I'm truly super irritated with primary and the concept.
How the hell do both American parties back these two candidates? Should have done better imo.