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ITT: charity is wrong and stupid. Don't help, just whinge.
If healthcare is a business then my blood cost money.
Pay up motherfuckers.
It's funny seeing this given all the communism/socialism/piracism/FOSSism on lemmy.
Fuck you, pay me!
I don’t think I’m a communist or socialist.
If they’re able to copy my blood without depriving me of it, they’re welcome to it.
And FOSS is usually free as in beer so I don’t really see the comparison.
Edit: if we had free healthcare in the US I wouldn’t be making this argument.
Well healthcare is never free, you pay through your taxes. But i stand by the notion that lemmyists are usually anticapitalist so it's pretty funny to get angry about being asked to help people out of the goodness of our hearts.
I've never heard 'free as in beer' as a phrase, what does that mean?
I should clarify.
When speaking of free healthcare, I mean “free at the point of service”.
I know damn well it’s not free as in beer but I can see how my putting those two concepts so close in my comment could give the wrong impression.
I have free, at the point of service, healthcare, and blood donations are still unpaid. No buying body parts or something... It's a gift and it must be entirely voluntary. Did you think people could sell their blood in civilised countries?
Your way is how it SHOULD be.
I feel like you’re missing the fact that in the US the blood bank sells our freely given blood to hospitals.
Those hospitals then charge us for the blood when we need it.
We sell plasma. Why not blood?
If hospitals wanna be a business, expect to pay for inputs.
What other business expects their inputs for free?
I feel like you're missing the fact that people donate blood to help others. Being angry about the fucked up system you're in is sensible, refusing to help others because of that system is just sad.
We need to be paid because we can't afford healthcare. I haven't been to the dentist in over 20 yrs.
"Free as in beer" means free of monetary cost. This is used to contrast the case of "Free as in speech," meaning you have the legal right to do something. These two don't necessarily come together; you may remember the term "shareware" meaning proprietary copyrighted software which end users are encouraged to copy and pass along, essentially doing the company's marketing work for them. Video game demos were often shareware. This was free as in beer, but not free as in speech.
So let's talk about the mercenary attitude toward blood donation you're seeing in this thread, in the context of a largely left-leaning community: I want to live in a world where healthcare is provided as a public service funded by taxes, and I want rich people fairly taxed. I would be willing to volunteer such things as blood donations in such a system. That's not the system that exists in America at the moment; hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, ambulance services etc. are run as for-profit businesses. So I'm being asked to "be a good little socialist and subsidize my third mansion out of the good of your heart." No. In today's world, fuck you, pay me.
Whole lot of people who clearly felt personally targeted by this article lmao
It's okay to just say that you don't want to. You don't actually need to justify every single decision you make with systemic and social forces, or like, some weird kind of spite.
I mean some of us are LGBTQ+ and were explicitly forbidden to give blood for decades, and to my knowledge that only changed in May of 2023 in the US. Many people may not have got that message (including me until just now when I looked it up).
I am as well, and still am not eligible because of other reasons. Glancing through things, it seems that being on PrEP is also a disqualifier due to interference with HIV testing, which is unfortunate but also perfectly reasonable, so the real net effect is that men in monogamous relationships are eligible. That's still real progress though, and the current rules basically represent medical reality now instead of prejudice.
My point here is more against the people who are perfectly able to donate without any major inconvenience to themselves at all, but rather than simply honestly admitting that they don't want or care to (which is fine! You can't dedicate yourself to every cause in the world), they instead feel the need to justify it as some natural consequence of capitalism or our shitty healthcare system or whatnot, saying "Oh, I would donate, because of course I'm a good person, but because of the injustices of capitalism I'm actually entitled to payment and thus cannot participate in this oppressive system. Sorry grandma."
It's a bit maddening. It's perfectly fine to not want to commit any given selfless act, but just own up to it.
Wow I never realized the US healthcare system was a charity from reading all the articles about how many Americans it drives to bankruptcy and poverty while earning billions of dollars in profits for a small number of already egregiously wealthy people!
I know socialized healthcare exists too, but the article is from the US so I feel it's fair game to criticize it. Just because it does good sometimes doesn't excuse or justify the horrific stuff it does too.