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This is a stupid argument. Even ignoring the obvious whataboutism, it’s like arguing peasants were responsible for the Norman conquest because they didn’t ’advocate for Harold hard enough’, or because they ‘didn’t convince Edward the Confessor to have a child’.
What whataboutism?
The general public have known about climate change for decades and made little to no effort at doing anything about it. We have elected climate change deniers, made Bezos a billionaire and bought bigger and bigger cars all whilst claiming it's all completely out of our control. Grow up and take just a little responsibility for your choices.
Meh I don’t think you have a very clear understanding of this topic. The American public voted for gore, the British public voted for corbyn. Both elections were stolen. Oil companies spent vast unimaginable sums of money popularising the terms ‘climate change’ and ‘carbon footprint’ to minimise public conception and maximise the concept of personal responsibility. Global climate disaster is not a personal problem, it’s a systemic problem of governance, and it needs systemic governmental solutions.
Ok, so we're not responsible for anything we do. We are completely controlled by our government and corporate overlords. We are incabable of thinking for ourselves or making any decisions not dictated by marketing and anyone daring to suggest we should consume less is asinine. Maybe we really deserve what's coming to us.
I mean, people in the U.S. have the largest impact on the environment compared to other first-world countries. And first world countries have a much, much larger impact on the environment compared to the rest of the world. It's not linear, either. I agree with the argument that much more culpability rests on those with more power, but I think that also translates into socioeconomic power individually.
I also agree that there is a blame-shifting propaganda campaign, but I think that also includes a point about not blaming consumerism, which also is a huge determinant in the status quo.
Personally, I think as usual, complex topics will have complex solutions; I think you're both right up until the point where it excludes each other's points. No-one is forcing anyone to choose only one thing to work on.
Oh, we can totally blame consumerism. We just can't do so entirely and relieve ourselves of the burden of the future because we found a partial root cause.
It turns out it's beef, not donuts.
While I'm a nihilist at heart, I can't righteously shift the blame on to the average, dying-from-poverty < 38 year old. For decades, we've known that corporate interests are what drives the largest amount of climate change (and that it's the engine that will likely kill all of us before a changing climate does). Not since the 90's (arguably earlier) has it been an individual and his dollar.
Grow up and take a little responsibility in your communication.
"His dollar"? Responsible communication lol
There's plenty of blame for everyone in western countries at least. Profit drives corporations and those profits come from people buying their crap without caring about the consequences. Blame business all you like but corporate profits don't exist in a vacuum.
...but also the larger issue - younger generations have never had the economic power to invest in the outcome of the world, which kinda sucks, lol.
I'm sorry you don't understand the conventions of the English language if that's what you mean to imply.
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