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If you're going to equate the dead children in Gaza with Hamas, you might as well say this lady "earned" it on account of the policies of the Israeli far right.
There's no such thing as "earning" the mass murder of civilians.
Hamas has kept power for almost two decades without an election, of which over 50% of the population of Gaza was too young to vote in, on account of them not being born.
Innocent people are dying because Israel propped up the terrorist Hamas to prevent a real, peaceful government from forming and bringing forward a two country solution.
And no one cared about the terrorist regime - especially those who don't have to live under Hamas and yell "Free Palestine". Everyone liked Hamas well enough as long as they kill some jews once in a while.
I don't know man. Everyone in my family that is politically active dislikes Fatah, especially Abbas, but they LOATHE Hamas. There are palestinian circles that curse Hamas for bringing about a second Naqba. It's not as black and white as it appears.
It's just that Gaza is a special case. It's poor and miserable, hosting plenty fertile ground for extremist indoctrination. Have you ever tried arguing with someone from such a background about means of liberation and their justification? That's a mighty complicated discussion.
So Hamas is justified in killing Israeli citizens just as the IDF is justified in killing Gazan citizens?
Weird watching you twist your brain into knots to find ways to only condemn one side while praising the other.
Israeli civilians clearly have been sharing consequences for the actions of their state. What do you think the attack was about?
The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves. The earliest conflicts between Jewish farmers and Arab farmers, the earliest massacres in mandatory Palestine, were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian Arab nationalism made a one state solution not viable, and Palestinians declared war on their Israeli neighbors because they didn't like the borders of a two-state solution. They got their asses handed to them. Then they tried it again in 1967, once again getting their asses handed to them. They have constantly been aggressors who refused to make a viable peace and acknowledge their realpolitik situation. Instead, they have opted for terrorist Guerrilla attacks against civilians for the past 50 years as their situation grows ever worse.
But yeah if you ignore all context and causality both sides are the same 🙄
I hope you're looking in a mirror when you roll those emoji eyes, since you're cherry picking and ignoring an awful lot of history and context of actions. You look from the perspective of one, but not the other - why? Have you given up on rational thought and agreed with the propeganda that an entire population thinks as one and is subhuman, not deserving of a chance at independent life to earn a living, feed their family, go to the beach, visit relatives, cook good food, etc..?
Do you honestly believe that the massacre of the Jewish state is the only thought in every Palestinian's head?
Or maybe you're being deceived to be ok with a group of old politicians bringing about the genocide of a race of people caught in the context of bad historical decisions of others?
I used to be on the fence thinking that both sides were terrible because I didn't understand the conflict, I have read a lot about it since then, mostly on Wikipedia, and I no longer think it's a both sides issue. Palestinians are responsible for their situation.
Certainly a lot of atrocities happened on both sides since the conflict started. I was citing what caused this conflict in the first place. It was started by Palestinians, and it was escalated by Palestinians. It can be ended by Palestinians immediately.
Implying that siding with Israel means racism… clearly it's not about race because 20% of Israelis are Palestinian Arabs with full rights. They aren't hostile or murdering their civilian neighbors. Why are they treated differently? Maybe it's not about subhuman or superhuman, for Israel. it's about safety.
I think it would be wonderful if they had all of these things, they should surrender and negotiate for peace so that they may accomplish such things. Accept that they lost the war, accept that they're not going to get the 1948 borders back, accept that they will lose territory, pacify themselves, and they can have all of that. It's the constant killing of their neighbors that has led to their current miserable condition.
Did you know Israel and Egypt have been blockading Gaza since 2007?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
I did. Did you know that was in response to Gaza electing Hamas who at that time took over Gaza in a coup?
So... Israel isn't a neutral actor "just trying to defend themselves." They're cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.
At what point do you admit when you're wrong?
What does it take?
So you're saying that the Israeli populace is responsible for the systematic oppression of the Palestinian people? I'm not sure I'd go that far myself, but I respect your opinion.
At the end of the day, Hamas did an awful thing at the beginning of this month, but guerilla warfare has no rules. When you're fighting against USA-lite with rocks and Iranian cast-offs, you don't get to fight fair. I don't think they should've committed the specific attack that they did, but attacks of opportunity are all they have left to fight the Apartheid state next door.
Israel didn’t start this? Have you been under a rock since WWII ended?