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There's a link in the top 5 posts to a "philosophy" article that cherry picks limited sources in order to misrepresent Stoicism as a philosophy as mere garden variety stoicism in the more modern vernacular, and then uncritically blames it as the source of all toxic masculinity.
Perhaps "misinformation" was a strong accusation, but articles like that are certainly not written in good faith, regardless of the intent in sharing them.
Perhaps I should edit my post to use less inflammatory language. Sorry.
I see. So the issue is primarily that you're a stoicism stan. I will admit my primary goal was just to get people talking about stoicism. That said I definitely think the stoic brainworms could use some deconstructing with a focus on historical perspective. Copying my post from over there:
It's important to recognize that the history of stoicism (because it is so old) has been integral in shaping masculine culture in the west. For so many people stoicism is felt more through it's cultural influences than through any modern additions to the philosophy. I've posted this elsewhere but this video gives a brief history of stoicism and talks specifically about how this philosophy affected marginalized groups in the past and how that might explain why stoicism is still popular primarily among men. While doing so they try to make the case that modern stoicism is incredibly useful and attempts to draw a direct connection to modern CBT.
EDIT: For anybody curious about the article itself you can find it here https://imsmagazine.com/2022/03/07/how-stoicism-could-lie-at-the-root-of-mens-health-issues/
Well, that'll teach me to read an article and then not engage in the conversation that follows. I'm not a Stoicism stan, as you say, but I have found Practical Stoicism a useful tool in my life, especially when it comes to recognizing and owning my own contributions (positive and negative) to my relationships.
I'll go back and reply to you in the other thread so we don't derail this one.
That actually means a huge amount to me. Apologies if I came off a little hostile with the stan comment.
It's all good! I chose Beehaw for a reason, I will always engage in good faith and give you the same benefit of the doubt!
It honestly wasn't my intention to call anyone out, I just had some concerns based on what I saw. I'm glad we get to continue the conversation ๐