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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Why treat Proton like it's the work of a single person rather than a large team?

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

CEO's get to decide what to do with the money the company earns. The workers dont.

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

And is there a risk he may invest money further into fascism?

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago
[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I wonder what kind of "republican" changes to Proton would be possible to put forth without angering the majority of users or defeating the point of Proton altogether. That's why I don't see this as a prelude to anything major. What do you think?

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

donating money to parties/candidates is a common thing for companies and wealthy individuals to do

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Good point. It can translate to direct money donations to a political party.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There was a reply from the official proton handle on mastodon doubling down on the Andy's take.

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But wouldn't it be more productive to talk to Proton about this obviously crappy PR instead of descending into unnecessary cancelling of a perfectly good service?

And how do we know none of the other services also have fascists in their midst? This circle could go on forever until no services are left.

Asking seriously.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I did. Their reply was generic and useless. "Yen said on Reddit it's his personal opinion." Yet he used the Proton admin account to spread his opinion (based on fake news).

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Fair enough! So what do you hope to accomplish with this action? Like, goal wise, is it to change Proton's stance? Or is it more about being an ethical consumer?

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

It's so I hopefully get the right answer so I don't have to switch to an alternative for my calender (just switched from Google), my mail, vpn and password manager. I am a paying customer since May 2019. I was happy with Proton and what they stand for, their CEO is now ruining everything. "We want to switch to a foundation so our goal will be preserved." Sure... Spreading fake news and taking a political stance in the US, while at the same time claiming to be Swiss neutral. Why do almost all techbros have to become evil now Trump is becoming president again. Even Swiss foundations.

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah I can understand that completely.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

Because its not an unimportant person praising the fascists.

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Imagine it like a pyramid scheme.

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