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And many big organizations say there's a reasonable chance that it was lab altered.
We don't know the origins, as you said before, but we should assume it was natural? I don't assume either way, but it seems weird you claimed both these things.
No, he's not. He said that we don't know if it was created/altered by humans or not.
But we do know it affects different ethnicities differently, which is, once again, objectively right.
Refusing to think like you makes me a racist? I think we have different definitions of racist.
The scientific community has been vocal that it's reasonably likely it was altered in the coronavirus lab. You being anti-science is your problem, not RFK's.
Actually that’s incorrect. There’s no consensus with multiple agencies coming to different conclusions ranging from maybe it was to we have no idea.
No one has found any smoking gun. But what is more telling is the conspiratards that dog pile on this topic as if the question of its origin somehow validates all their stupid bullshit over the past 3 years. It doesn’t, and all the anti mask anti vaccine idiots have blood on their hands that people like me will never, ever let them forget.
So until we find actual proof, this remains soundly in the category of unknowns.
so....exactly what I said. It's a reasonable likeliness.
Dang, you see this new article yesterday? https://archive.is/jnSIS
"The Biden administration formally halted the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s access to US funding, citing unanswered safety and security questions for the facility at the center of the Covid lab leak theory. "
Oh wait, biden is probably just a right win lunatic "conspiratard", huh?
Ah, trouble with reading comprehension I see. Don’t worry you’ll get there.
As I stated, there’s no consensus and no smoking gun, this also doesn’t cite the Biden administration claiming they caused the leak just that there are security concerns.
So this still proves nothing definitively, but it sure seems like you need it to prove something, which is the bigger issue in my mind. If you need it to be a lab leak to ‘show you were right all along’ you probably are generally incorrect about things and at worst are peddling racist conspiracy theories with no foundation other than that you want it to be true.
Covid showed just how shallow and stupid so many people are. We really got to see some of you guys show your true colors. Just know that there will always be people like me who will never let you forget what you did during that time.
People don’t forget.
And my whole argument was "Reasonable likeliness"
Come on man, I didn't say anything concrete, or say anythings proven. You just dismiss it because it's not proven. There's a middle ground, like ya know, percentages.
You have 1 percent, 2 percent, 10 percent, and so on and so forth. So there's a scale rather than a binary "not proven, can't exist"
There’s two equally compelling sources of the virus. The wet market located in wuhan which easily could have been a source. Or the lab where they were studying coronaviruses and also easily could have been a source.
It’s important to remember the reason the coronavirus lab was located in wuhan was specifically because there was a place locally where it could be easily obtained.
What’s the truth in that. How do you point to the exact source without making assumptions, and at that point you’re just filling in the blanks for whatever you want to believe or what supports your worldview .
You can point to lots of things that china fucked up about the pandemic, but as we have seen, even with advanced warning the US completely failed to prepare or appropriately handle the pandemic.
There’s a lot of people that need to be held accountable for their bullshit during that time. It’s better than grasping at xenophobic speculation.
Sweet. You finally agree with me of what the scientific communities consensus has been since they stopped censorship of the theory - there's a reasonable likeliness it was a lab leak.
Again, I never said it wasn’t possible, just that there’s no proof that’s what it was. It’s pure speculation. And speculation to me is worth Fucking nothing, merely the folly of people with too much time on their hands .
You argued against me saying it was reasonably likely, and just said it was for "conspiratards." I think that's a core difference between us, I don't compare people to retards simply because we have disagreements.
It's okay to be wrong, move on bud, and try to be a bit nicer to people that have different opinions than you. It's okay to disagree and be civil.
I’d have to be wrong first, and that’s not apparent here unfortunately. But I appreciate your willingness to jump into whatever speculative claim supports your skewed worldview.
Reasonable likeliness, homie. Once again, you're just showing how anti-science you are.
Just because you don't believe it means that it's not real.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
There's enough consensus from the scientific community to say we don't know, especially with the understanding that china is not transparent with the world.
So, once again
RFK said 2 facts. That's it. Find some real dirt on him if you want to trash him.
Nah dude, covid 19 was definitely traced to seafood market in Wuhan https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/03/03/1083751272/striking-new-evidence-points-to-seafood-market-in-wuhan-as-pandemic-origin-pointhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/03/03/1083751272/striking-new-evidence-points-to-seafood-market-in-wuhan-as-pandemic-origin-point
Republicans are lying g to you for pitiful points. Sorry.
I read your source, and found this:
Ahhhh yes, the government house oversight committee is just republicans. Read the sources, read the facts, listen to the organizations and scientists and they say it's reasonably likely it was a lab leak of some sorts. Is it more likely that it was natural? Yes. But does that mean it 100% was and we shouldn't question it, no. Absolutely not. You're an idiot if you think it's beyond question, and anti-science if you think it's beyond question.
Yeah, this is very disingenuous. That was the single concession in an article full of proof that that meet market played an important role in spreading the virus, and that it is probable that is where transmission occurred. Short of detecting and recording the original infection, which is very unlikely to have happened due to the nature of the virus.
And yes, the house oversight committee is controlled by Republicans, because they make committee appointments after they gained control of the house of representatives in the 2022 midterms, and this was a political priority for them. If you read their release, it is clear that the questions were lead by Republicans.
Now we cannot be 100% sure what the origins are, so we can make a conspiracy theory that that chain engineered the virus and planted it, severly infecting their own population, in order to unleash a worldwide pandemic because... reasons...
Or we can acknowledge that a scenario that was pretty widely anticipated occurred, and it became a political priority for the Republicans to deny after trump started to, which they then pursued with their new policial power in the house. But a politician would never lie to you right?
Dang, you see this new article yesterday? https://archive.is/jnSIS
"The Biden administration formally halted the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s access to US funding, citing unanswered safety and security questions for the facility at the center of the Covid lab leak theory. "
Oh wait, biden is probably just a right win lunatic, huh?
That lab has been very notorious for withholding data on the origins of the virus, and deserves sanctions. Doesn't mean that Jews engineered it in collaboration with the Chinese government.
Nobody said jews and chinese engineered it.
The whole point of the convo is there is a reasonable likeliness it was a lab leak, and you deny it straight up 100%. You're being anti-science.
Come on man, lab leak is not what rfk is saying, and by brining it up here you are inying that his conspiracy theories are right.
lab leak theory is saying some sort of human alteration of a virus.