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submitted 1 year ago by Pizzafeet@kbin.social to c/men@kbin.social

https://web.archive.org/web/20230720051219/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/20/abused-partners-who-kill-lighter-sentences-new-sallys-law/

Sally's law is being introduced in the UK, which would make it so that people who murder their alleged abuser may be given lighter sentencing.

Sally's Law is named after Sally Challen who admitted to killing her husband. She was tracking his movements, checking his phone, believing he was cheating on her and later said: "If I can't have him, no-one can." Challen was initially ordered to serve a minimum term of 22 years in jail. Jurors were told she attacked the retired businessman in August 2010, as he ate lunch at the kitchen table of their former marital home, using a hammer she had brought in her handbag. Keep in mind that she was not trapped in a relationship with this man and they had separated in 2009 and she begged to reconcile with him in 2010.

Her legal team succesfully appealed her sentence in 2019 on the basis of diminished responsibility. She received 14 years for manslaughter but walked free due to time served.

My gut tells me that murderers like Sally who admitted to killing her husband due to her insecurities will take advantage of this law, and that this won't be applied to male victims of abuse.

[-] Pizzafeet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The obvious answer is that women in India did not grow up with Barbie, not many people over there know what Barbie is so why would they have any interest in watching it?

[-] Pizzafeet@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

We have always referred to toxic gender roles for women as misogyny or internalised misogyny, so I would argue that we should use the equivalent term, misandry instead of toxic masculinity.

[-] Pizzafeet@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

My theory on the reason they pick examples that supports their agenda is because it's all a zero sum game to them. Claiming that fighting toxic masculinity will solve men's issues, requires little to no funding. They fear that funding of actual men's mental health or abuse services will reduce funding for women's organisations. The owners and CEO's of women's organisations rely on government funding to fill their pockets which is why Women's Aid tried protesting against funding men's services around 2-3 years ago.

[-] Pizzafeet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The reason toxic masculinity is favoured as a term is to avoid acknowledging misandry.

Feminists commonly used to that discrimination against men is actually due to misogyny. For example, men are afraid to cry because it's seen as feminine. So since they believe men's issues root from misogyny, toxic masculinity is the perfect term for them.

This is problematic since some issues such as male suicide are thought to be due to toxic masculinity. Whereas real world data shows that men aren't afraid to seek help, therapy is both difficult to access (in the UK) and isn't really geared towards dealing with men.

"The startling statistic from the research showed that of those men who had taken their own lives and had actually sought help and were assessed for suicidal risk in 2017, 80% had been assessed by clinicians as having low or no risk of suicide; this is troubling and an issue that must be addressed. These men are talking but who was listening? This lack of understanding of male suicidality (stressors, transversal issues and life transitions) is key, especially when presented in indirect ways."

https://equi-law.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/APPG-MB-Male-Suicide-Report-9-22.pdf

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