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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/10713383

Polls have also shown Biden's support slipping among Black and ethnic minority voters, who helped drive his 2020 election win against Trump.

Analysts say Biden's best hope now is a simple but quite specific number: that wages continue to rise faster than prices as they have done since April of last year, allowing consumers to feel that their wallets are fuller.

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[-] tux@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Still rather vote for him than the wanna be dictator. It's shitty, and who knows maybe the Dems will primary someone decent.

But if the choice is "generally shitty typical politician who isn't actively telling us how he's going to destroy our country" vs "I'm going to destroy our country and prosecute my enemies illegally and rip out long term federal employees and replace them with folks loyal to me who will let me be a dictator, and btw I'm saying this out loud all the time"......

It's still not a hard choice to vote for a fucking wet paper bag over trump , even a wet paper bag who is not doing the best job and is supporting questionable international policies.

Please remember they're not the same type of bad. One is run of the mill politician bad, one is literally telling us how he plans on ripping our country's founding principles to shreds.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

First they came for the communists... Condoning genocide along with Biden allows for future atrocities. What happened to 'push him left?'

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

What happened to ‘push him left?’

it was a lie. that day never came because there's only one reliable mechanism to do it and it's the one we're told decade after decade we aren't allowed to use, vote for someone else

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Yup in a binary choice picking the pointless third option is the secret. Reality hates this one simple trick.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

if everyone did it we'd win

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

if trump wins it will be 100% because the democrats chose to run a shitty candidate that didn't encourage turnout among less engaged voters. and before you yell at me biden fans, those less engaged voters aren't in this thread, or indeed any politics thread. they're the ones who barely ever show up to vote in the first place. two shitty candidates = they don't care enough to register or wait hours in line, and you gotta go out and get their votes to win. it's just politics

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Exactly what was said by the folks that sat on their asses in 2016.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

did you learn from the mistakes of 2016 or are you gonna make them again? by the way, I voted in 2016, something the majority of people my age didn't do

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Please remember they’re not the same type of bad.

Who is saying they are?

[-] tux@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I'm just worried that we'll have a repeat of voter apathy because the Dems present a really not great candidate again and folks don't show up and allow the dangerous nut jobs elect in their wannabe dictator.

That said, I 100% agree that folks should be pushing and demanding better from our elected officials so keep voicing and pushing your concerns!

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Genocide is usually a line people don't want to cross or co-sign. If he doesn't want that tag line attached him, he could course correct and do better before he ends up handing victory to Trump.

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Won't be Biden handing the keys to fascists, just like it wasn't Clinton that did so.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Clinton defeated the only candidate she was interested in defeating in 2016.

[-] derphurr@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

She didn't defeat anyone, DNC did all her dirty work.

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[-] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 4 points 10 months ago

Clinton literally backed trump in the primary.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Clinton supporters can rejoice that they got Clinton's first choice in 2016.

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 10 months ago

I'm concerned about 2024. So many voters were asked to hold our nose and vote for conservative Joe Biden, but he's made it harder and harder to do.

He started off on the wrong foot by opening more concentration camps and sending his VP on an embarrassing gaslighting mission to Latin America, and it has just continued to get worse since then.

My expectations were already abysmally low to begin with, but even I didn't have "openly supporting a genocidal state" on my bingo card.

I think I still need to vote for him because of Republicans, but my God it will be hard to live with myself after I do.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I think I still need to vote for him because of Republicans, but my God it will be hard to live with myself after I do.

This sentence will be ignored by combative centrist genocide apologists. Just wanted to let you know that you're not alone.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

Thank you for this.

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

No, no, you'll be able to smugly hold your moral superiority over the others in the concentration camps after enough folks stay home because of all the baseless BS being spewed.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

This sentence will be ignored by combative centrist genocide apologists.

I summoned one.

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[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 18 points 10 months ago

Which is a pretty damn good predictor that he's going to lose. Nobody wins an election by everyone sighing and saying "fuck guess we gotta vote for them," just look at Hillary. DNC is once again shrugging their shoulders and saying "we've tried nothing and are all out of ideas," so guess it's on the U.S. people to save democracy. They've got a real...great track record.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

we're gonna have to save democracy without the democrat's help, which isn't an issue because they were part of the problem to begin with

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

I think I still need to vote for him because of Republicans, but my God it will be hard to live with myself after I do.

Don't be hard on yourself for making the correct decision.

If someone tells you that you have swallow stale lima beans or horse shit and you pick the stale lima beans in hopes that you never have to do it again... well it sucks but those were the choices. If 4 years later you have to do the same thing again... well you do it, because eating stale lima beans is always going to be better than eating horse shit, and you're going to have to eat one of them.

You don't have to feel like the lima beans are your choice, your preference, or your fault or responsibility. They were one of two choices available, and you made the right one.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

I'm old, and I've been eating stale lima beans all my life.

In 2008, I was finally promised a meal, and I even campaigned for it. But it turned out to be more stale lima beans.

This stale lima bean routine is wearing thin.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Imagine comparing supporting genocide to something as nutritious as lima beans.

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

imagine if the republicans ran like democrats. would you switch to voting for a supposedly pro-choice pro-gay moderate republican? no? why are we told to expect the opposite, especially from a more propagandized group of voters?

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago

And yet it feels like they really do have us over the fire, and the best they can do is call us Russian trolls and tell us to cope. That's the best they have to offer.

Meanwhile, I have friends and loved ones being detained, deported, or worse -- and they call me privileged if I complain about it.

I've literally been accused of de facto voting for Trump even when I disclose that I voted for genocide Joe. It's cultlike and weird.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

It’s cultlike and weird.

it is. I think they're just scared and clinging to "vote blue no matter who" as a security blanket while the party acts like controlled opposition. I wonder what they'll think when their strategy loses.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

They'll blame us, again. They'll blame leftists and progressives for not voting for their next bad candidate

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Because the alternative is fascists taking over. They'll think the same thing we all thought in 2017 when a bunch of clueless fools bought the "both sides" Russian propaganda.

[-] alabasterhotdog@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Lemmy is insanely loaded with said fools, literally every political thread is astroturfed with them.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately America is a two-party system, it's baked into how the voting works. Occasionally the identity of which two parties are the two parties changes, but not very often.

However, that doesn't mean that there are only two possible candidates for presidency. The time when it's "safe" to vote for a third-party candidate is during the primary elections. Incumbents like Biden still have a huge advantage in those situations but even so it's a time when protest votes can be cast without harming the end result.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure how this relates to my comment, and it feels like a deflection from my point. Can you explain how it relates?

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

it's just a lie from someone who actually wants the right wing policies of joe biden and doesn't want you to disrupt that

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

They explained a bit more in a follow-up, and I think I may have misinterpreted them, but yeah ... I'm a bit raw about it, considering the unhinged rant a lemmy.world mod brought into this thread earlier! I think a lot of Democrats are just politer Republicans who want to dupe us into thinking they're actually leftists, and they get super angry when we see the wizard behind the curtain.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

I think a lot of Democrats are just politer Republicans who want to dupe us into thinking they’re actually leftists, and they get super angry when we see the wizard behind the curtain.

my thoughts exactly, especially when "moderate" democrats win and just continue the worst policies of their republican predecessors. politics doesn't just happen ad teh ballot box and we should de-emphasize electoralism as it becomes increasingly useless at stopping fascism

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

I still vote, but I totally understand why people are disillusioned of the system.

The whole state is rotten. Always has been. We desperately need a real systemic change.

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[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Democrats are really down bad, huh

[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Guys I'm a socialist, calm down

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