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[-] minkshaman@lemmy.perthchat.org 138 points 1 year ago

I’ll tell you a secret you might have missed.

It’s not about the privacy.

It’s about a foreign country of similar power levels having the ability to shape your people’s political opinions.

They’re shitting themselves because it’s one of the first times it’s happened to them instead of them doing it to someone else.

[-] Emanresu@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

It’s about a foreign country of similar power levels having the ability to shape your people’s political opinions.

I think it's more about the US empire losing its ability to control some people.

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[-] skillissuer@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

new user freshly connected to internet, would you rather:

-waste your precious time and attention on hypercapitalist hellscape headquartered in usa, or

-waste your precious time and attention on hypercapitalist hellscape headquartered in china

[-] muffin@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

Why not spend your time on a Japanese platform? We got anime ~

[-] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Japanese sites have web ui designs that are pretty bad. Argue way worse than having to use the official reddit app ad wise.

[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Is wasting my precious time and attention on an anticapitalist hellscape headquartered on distributed servers around the world an option?

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[-] nul9o9@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The key difference is that American Government agencies don't have access to the information TikTok steals from its users.

Edit: This comment implied the US has easy access to the data from companies like Facebook.

[-] kenbw2@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

This is naive. America has all the laws they need to get data from private companies, just the same as China

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

And thanks to Snowden revelations we know for a fact that US companies work directly with US government and share all their user data.

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[-] zephr_c@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least in theory they have to get a warrant, although there are plenty of examples of tech companies handing over information without one. They definitely have access to all the same information if they really want it though.

Edit: In hindsight I think I may have misinterpreted how that post was intended. American government agencies do have a harder time getting access to TikTok's information, although at least for US users TikTok has separate servers that make it possible for them to do so.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 1 year ago

They have to get a warrant to demand it, yes. But if they show up with a bag full of money, the companies will just turn it right over.

[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

They probably don't even need that. Corpos like to work with the government, it's mutual.

[-] DrMario@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, what does Meta have to lose? Only their reputation for protecting user privacy, which was lost long ago.

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

True but also true: you are comparing multinational corporations to the Chinese government, who is currently waging cold war against Western states. That's the quiet part they're taking care not to say loud, hence posturing.

[-] LearysFlyingSaucer@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Of course, why else would China build their country so close to all those US military bases. Such agression

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I shouldn't defend myself from China because the USA built bases, is that your argument?

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago
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[-] JshKlsn@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Americans when Canadians say they'd prefer TikTok spying vs an American company:

but seriously. I want no one to have my data, but if someone HAD to have it, I would prefer TikTok over anything from Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc..

My country wont export me to China if I post something negative or pirate something. My country will export me to the US if they come banging on my door. I am quite literally safer letting China have a bit of my data.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

This is the worst take I've ever heard. The concerns are "capitalist targeted advertising" vs "a foreign power abusing American user data to target and push agendas on it's people".

Is lemmygrad leaking??

[-] JshKlsn@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I'm not a lemmygrad user. I'm simply stating facts?

There's literally many recent news articles of Canadians getting in legal trouble from American companies because of the things they posted or things they downloaded.

The Canadian government isn't handing me over to China or allowing China to come get me.

My comment is not even pro China. I'm just saying that nothing I say or do will allow China to put me in jail. Can't say the same about America.

You should learn to read. I would prefer no one get my data, but it's statistically safer for me for China to get it over an American company. However, no one should get it. Fuck shit American companies, fuck shit Chinese companies.

[-] settinmoon@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

This is actually what I wanted to say to a lot of people. During peace times, allowing a foreign adversary stealing your data is a lot less damaging to your personal freedoms than your own government stealing your data. We need to be wary every time when our own government tries to tries to introduces surveillance laws under the disguise of "national security".

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago

Has everyone forgotten when Zuck was brought before congress and grilled about Facebook? True, the reps merely embarrassed themselves through their own ignorance, but being ineffectual is not the same as hypocracy.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

i'd rather be spied on by an allied country, or my own, than a somewhat hostile country.

[-] Veedems@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

I’d rather just not be spied on lol

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[-] match@pawb.social 26 points 1 year ago

I'd rather be spied on by a far away country than by one with armed bastards on my street

[-] Contend6248@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you're being honest to yourself, when your own country is spying on you it might have a bigger impact on you than a country you might visit for a week or never.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago
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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 1 year ago

It's like picking on a younger sibling.

It's okay when you, the older sibling, do it. But when a stranger does it, you kick their ass.

[-] alliswell33@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

Xenophobia (from Ancient Greek ξένος (xénos) 'strange, foreign, alien', and φόβος (phóbos) 'fear') is the fear or dislike of anything which is perceived as being foreign or strange.

[-] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The same fearmongering would've happened to American social media apps if it wasn't for that sweet sweet data the US government is able to get.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I remember articles in the early 00s about how China wouldn't allow Google to operate there and a big deal was made about "the great firewall of China" and how it was all about censorship, but now that China has an influential internet service, US congress is demanding they hand over ownership of US operations to a US company.

[-] Yoz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[-] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

its almost like foreign governments collecting information about your population is a bad thing for your people and your government, or something.

[-] JshKlsn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's worse for the US to have my data as a Canadian than China. America can come for me, and my country would hand me over. China can't do shit to me.

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[-] confusedbytheBasics@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Now do American politicians when an elementary school is attacked by a gunman.

[-] Veedems@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

There’d be nothing for the top box.

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