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Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb? (www.jeffgeerling.com)
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[-] RL_Dane@fosstodon.org 4 points 2 years ago

@REdOG

IBM: We poured money and resources into Linux before 99% of the business world had even heard of it. We helped make it great. Why shouldn't we require a return on that investment?

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I think IBM/RH is bone-headed as heck and are now inexcusable violators of the GPL, and other licenses.

I knew they were going to *break* RH and make it something abominable.

But they *were* there at the very beginning of the 2000s, promoting Linux heavily. (Not altruistically, of course)

[-] art@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This is not a violation of the GPL. They are allowed to charge for access to the source. If you provide binaries/images to a customer, you also must provide source. However, anyone who doesn't pay isn't entitled to it.

However, this is still a total bonehead move.

[-] daan@lemmy.vanoverloop.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

But anyone with access to source code licensed under GPL can legally redistribute said source code. One of the fundamental freedoms is that if you are given GPL-licensed source code, you can modify and redistribute it as much as you like.

I think the real problem might be that some of the work from Red Hat doesn't fall under the GPL, hence this wouldn't apply, but I'm not sure.

Or what if they only distribute it to companies that sign an agreement not to redistribute? Then they have the right to redistribute according to the GPL, but if they do, Red Hat will kick them out. This would seem like a way to circumvent the fundamental ideas behind the GPL and free software. If they do this, I can no longer be supportive of Red Hat in any way, and will likely have to distro-hop away from Fedora due to this misalignment of ideology.

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

what if they only distribute it to companies that sign an agreement not to redistribute?

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[-] Nuuskis@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

Who's surprised? IBM is owned 8% by Blackrock so this shouldn't surprise anybody.

[-] thiccdiccnicc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Fuckkkk

Huge L for the community and for my cheap ass company that will likely be migrating away soon 😭

[-] grey@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

I know this isn't related but: Why do I see a completely different set of comments here when I'm logged in, as opposed to when I'm not?

[-] 8rhn6t6s@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I noticed this when I set my language settings in my lemmy profile.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Users looking to run an EL-like linux that pre-dates RedHat's derivation and meddling will want to look at PCLinuxOS .

Its pedigree is mageia, so Mandrake and Conectiva.

While it's got a horrifically bad PXE install, and while that means Vagrants and templates are ghetto and thin on the ground, it's otherwise a very fine OS with a wide compatibility range that RH couldn't even match with this AppStream bullshit (ohai, /etc/alternatives).

[-] SillyJester@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Fedora has a cult following. I remember leaving it because I had many issues with using it and how much effort it took to just make it works. I'm now on Arch via EndeavourOS and it's so smooth and enjoyable. Whenever I'd seek help or complain about something being broken on Fedora I'd get gaslight by its zealots. :/

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The chatter around the water cooler at my office is that this may kill Rocky Linux and AlmaLinux (at least as downstream forks of RHEL). It will be very painful for companies that want RedHat support for their production systems but don't want to pay for RHEL licenses for developer test beds.

[-] jerrimu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Idk it makes sense to me. Companies using your source and work to directly compete against you is bad. Forcing competitors to use upstream is an ok solve.

[-] Link@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It's free software, so you should be free to do with the code whatever you want as long as you don't restrict the freedom of others.

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